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ICDP said:
Nice straw man argument there. At no point did I say I chose my latest car based purely on the fact it had free road tax. If you have to resort to logical fallacies to win a debate you are doing it wrong.
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But it's fine to use dubious maths? Your depreciation bill is more than any fuel/tax/maintenance saving. The concept of total cost of ownership seems to lost on you.

The costs are even greater if you're financing these buys.
 
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Regy53 said:
yep.

Ever had somebody overtake you on a A road and speed of into the distance only for you to catch them about 2 miles ahead at a traffic light or behind some slower traffic?

We could all drive a Vauxhal corsa 1.0L and generally get where we want to go.
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But this is the attitude of someone for whom a car is a utility device, only of use to move people and goods. Such people don't understand the concept of actually enjoying driving, that a car can be fun.
 
Minstadave said:
But it's fine to use dubious maths? Your depreciation bill is more than any fuel/tax/maintenance saving. The concept of total cost of ownership seems to lost on you.

The costs are even greater if you're financing these buys.
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My maths were based on the fact that both cars were bought outright without finance. Both cars cost me almost identical money second hand and were run for 2 years. The total cost of ownership on the 350Z was higher than that of the Tiguan by multiple thousands of pounds.

Much higher insurance
Much higher MPG
Higher depreciation
Costlier maintenance

The concept of cost of ownership is not lost on me, I factor it in with every car purchase I buy but it comes secondary to how good a car is to drive, look at and its practicality for me. Also depreciation does not negate running costs, it is ADDED to the running costs over your period of ownership.
 
What i don't get is why someone would choose to drive a Qashqai when over 3 years (depending on model), it's predicted to depreciate between: £8,713 and £14,638, that's £242 or £406 per month, every month!

Mental!

I'd rather take that cash, and run something, erm, worthwhile with less depreciation.
 
Firestar_3x said:
Whoops:

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/nissan/qashqai/station-wagon/buying-selling/


New price range
£17,995 - £28,280

1 year price range
£13,615 - £19,340

3 year price range
£9,282 - £13,642


Enjoy.
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Trying to antoginise me with lists of how much my Qashqai is going to depreciate over 2-3 years is not working. Every single car I have purchased depreciates on average £2500 - £3000 per year. This is nothing new to me and is why I never purchase from brand new. I got my Accenta Premium Qashqai pre-registered at two months old and only 550 miles on it for £3000 less than list price. I was already aware of those prices from Parkers (it's called doing your homework) and I expect my Qashqai to be worth ~£11000-£12000 in three years.
 
Firestar_3x said:
What i don't get is why someone would choose to drive a Qashqai when over 3 years (depending on model), it's predicted to depreciate between: £8,713 and £14,638, that's £242 or £406 per month, every month!

Mental!

I'd rather take that cash, and run something, erm, worthwhile with less depreciation.
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It's no different from running my 350Z which lost £230 per month in depreciation. My Qashqai was pre-registered and £3000 less than list price. Over 3 years I expect to loose ~£8000-£9000. But this is going OT.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
First 3 words of the title are appropriate to continued 5 seater crossover comparisons to a 2 seater sports car.
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It's not about crossover vs coupe and if you generalise in such a blinkered fashion you will miss the relevant points.

The OP pointed out that he noticed his Celica was getting him to work at the same time as his Girlfriend's Ibiza. He simply wanted to know if it was worth the extra running costs considering it got him to work no faster. I gave my opinion but clearly the coupe/sports car/cars are only for fun brigade got upset that I would dare claim a family crossover car could be more comfortable and relaxed to drive while costing considerably less to run.

The answer is going to be subjective based on an individuals priorities. It depends on if money is a concern and obviously it is to the OP or he would never have created the thread.
 
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Nah he changes cars too frequently to actually worry about cost of ownership. The 5 seater will always be faster than a 2 seater... especially when you have more than 1 passenger :P

I dont need the relevant points. When I got forced into soccer mum SUV I did on the understanding that if we were paying serious money we went in balls deep and atleast got a decent engine.
 
ICDP said:
For what it is worth both my Tiguan and my Qashqai are far more comfortable and relaxed places to be when stuck in traffic than my 350Z was. The fun from a 350Z and a Celica is not based on comfort, it's based on sports car handling and performance and being on the open road. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, if that's what floats yer boat. :)
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My zed's a nice place to be and very comfortable. However, I didn't get it for economical reasons, I got it because it's a good car, and I don't give two hoots if it isn't economical. Interstingly someone offered to buy it recently for only similar amounts that I paid for it. So I guess it does depend. The zed isn't that expensive a car to run if you know what you're doing. Tax is pointless a pointless measure as it's next to nothing over a year. The only thing that is expensive is the fuel owing to the lack of MPG - but you don't own a 3.5L V6 for economy ;)

For everyone it is different, driving pleasure vs driving cost. Sometimes you can get a bit of both depending on what works for you. However, for me, driving pleasure outweighs the cost (at the moment - I'm sure this will change in time).

If I were no longer able to afford to run the zed then of course I'd give it up, but in terms of economics, unless I needed to sell it there's little point, might as well keep it as for £6-7k it's not going to lose a huge amount of value.
 
Freefaller said:
My zed's a nice place to be and very comfortable. However, I didn't get it for economical reasons, I got it because it's a good car, and I don't give two hoots if it isn't economical. Interstingly someone offered to buy it recently for only similar amounts that I paid for it. So I guess it does depend. The zed isn't that expensive a car to run if you know what you're doing. Tax is pointless a pointless measure as it's next to nothing over a year. The only thing that is expensive is the fuel owing to the lack of MPG - but you don't own a 3.5L V6 for economy ;)

For everyone it is different, driving pleasure vs driving cost. Sometimes you can get a bit of both depending on what works for you. However, for me, driving pleasure outweighs the cost (at the moment - I'm sure this will change in time).

If I were no longer able to afford to run the zed then of course I'd give it up, but in terms of economics, unless I needed to sell it there's little point, might as well keep it as for £6-7k it's not going to lose a huge amount of value.
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When I bought my 350Z it was because it was and still is an amazing car. I am in no way claiming the 350Z is a worse car than a Qashqai, it all depends on priorities.

My 1st post in this thread was answering the OPs specific question given his specific circumstances. The OP asked a very specific question (quoted above) and given his narrow set of parameters, the answer is a definite no.

"Stating the obvious? Maybe, its got me thinking about the trade off between performance and enjoying driving which you cant do whilst commuting anyway and the costs of driving, maybe I'm getting old.

And yes we car share when possible, we both need our cars for our separate jobs."

If the OP also drives his Celica for fun on a quiet weekend then he is not going to get the experience in an Ibiza, or a Qashqai for example.

My Qashqai is a nice comfortable and relaxing place to sit on a daily 1hr 30min combined commute to and from work, in heavy traffic at an average off 43mph. It beats the 350Z hands down in this scenario because at no point am I using anywhere remotely near even its limited powered engine to max potential. Obviously it is nowhere near as fun to drive as a 350Z when you are on an open road, even at the speed limit. :)
 
If you say so, I found the Qashqai to be a horrid place to be! :p

Even if I were to get A-B in the same time using a cheap car, I'd rather be able to have something fun for the moments where I need to go from B-C.

We all have different requirements and needs though.

I agree that ultimately owning something which delivers and occasion every time you drive it vs something that just gets you where you want to go in comfort, if the latter is the most important to you then you just have a different take on cars and driving than some people.
 
Freefaller said:
If you say so, I found the Qashqai to be a horrid place to be! :p

Even if I were to get A-B in the same time using a cheap car, I'd rather be able to have something fun for the moments where I need to go from B-C.

We all have different requirements and needs though.

I agree that ultimately owning something which delivers and occasion every time you drive it vs something that just gets you where you want to go in comfort, if the latter is the most important to you then you just have a different take on cars and driving than some people.
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The pre 2014 Qashqai was a pretty horrid and bland experience to sit in and to look at. The current 2014 model is much nicer inside and out IMHO. All subjective of course. If you can afford two cars you get the best of both worlds as you can have a nice little weekend sports car locked in the garage :)

I think most people go through a transition period where their priorities change. I used to consider anything less than 200HP a toy car. Now my priorities are to be in a nice to look at and comfortable place while sitting in a typical commute traffic jam. Performance is now very low on my list of priorities.
 
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Hm alternatively id rather pay for use than watch the depreciation tumble while not driving.

Bought mr2 for 2900£ 3 years ago. Got back 2600 3 years later but it cost me £500 to keep it running.

Tax only 225 or so a year. Not bad for a 245ps car. Spent about 400 quid on serviceable. Happy days plus i got to drive around in a tbar turbo for 3 years instead of an Almera or whatever.
 
The Running Man said:
Hm alternatively id rather pay for use than watch the depreciation tumble while not driving.

Bought mr2 for 2900£ 3 years ago. Got back 2600 3 years later but it cost me £500 to keep it running.

Tax only 225 or so a year. Not bad for a 245ps car. Spent about 400 quid on serviceable. Happy days plus i got to drive around in a tbar turbo for 3 years instead of an Almera or whatever.
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This is the beauty of driving a sporty car that has already depreciated as far as it will go. I know friends who think I'm insane purchasing almost new cars for them to depreciate £2500-£3000 per year. On the other hand I know plenty of people who pay £35000-£45000 on brand new Range Rovers and BMWs every year because the new car smell has gone.
 
ICDP doesn't seem to understand that depreciation falls the longer you keep a car. So rather than the depreciation falling steadily on his Tiguan he'd rather reduce "running costs" by changing to a Qashuai to save £700 a year on fuel/tax to keep on paying 3k a year depreciation.

The 350Z must be the same, depreciation would be next to nothing.

ICDP said:
I know friends who think I'm insane purchasing almost new cars for them to depreciate £2500-£3000 per year.
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They're right you are insane because you're doing it to "save".
 
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