Royal baby: Prince William and Kate expecting second child

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You wrote your post, not me. Your post contained a false statement about money which even a very brief look into the subject shows to be false. So the statement makes you look ignorant of the subject (if you thought it was true) or deceitful (if you knew it wasn't). I've no way of knowing which because I can't read your mind, but it has to be one or the other.

It's not really necessary to call people ignorant and/or deceitful simply because they don't have the same knowledge as you however. You probably have some unnecessarily long and convoluted reply to justify yourself, but it's how it came across and was wholly unnecessary.

Facts are that we don't truly know the net costs of the Monarchy. I believe they offer value for money regardless of raw figures as I am inherently a Monarchist. Freefaller doesn't, luckily our constitutional monarchy allows him the freedom to hold this view based on his inherent republican viewpoint...he clarified for you what his fundamental basis was and that he was not basing this solely on a financial value. That should be enough for you to understand his position as being neither ignorant nor deceitful, simply different from yours, and incidentally from mine.
 
Problem is that assumes that if Britain were to turn into a Republic tomorrow that 0 people would come to view those attractions.

But it also ignores all other tourism in which the existence of a monarchy is a factor in people choosing which country to go on holiday to and it ignores the other money spent by the tourists who come here because we have a monarchy (hotels, taxi fares, restaurants, etc). £500M is probably a decent estimate.

People wouldn't stop coming here to see old buildings, but it wouldn't be as many people. A palace that monarchs used to live in has less tourism appeal than a palace that a monarch lives in.

Besides, we'd have to pay for a head of state and the maintainence of historical buildings even if we were a republic. Even if royalty-related tourism was only worth £50M and we stole all the possessions of all of the royals (killing them would be traditional and that makes the stealing even easier) we'd still be worse off financially.
 
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You wrote your post, not me. Your post contained a false statement about money which even a very brief look into the subject shows to be false. So the statement makes you look ignorant of the subject (if you thought it was true) or deceitful (if you knew it wasn't). I've no way of knowing which because I can't read your mind, but it has to be one or the other.

I didn't actually - I said quite clearly we do not know how much the finances net, and I summated that in my opinion it wasn't a net profit. Yet you boldly stipulate I was wrong. You're wrong, and look pretty ignorant yourself. ;)

And being ignorant on the royal family finances is not something I'm strongly embarrassed about. It seems even the pro-royalist don't really justify them through money, but more through a sense of identity and a sense of pride -which in my opinion is a fantastic show of loyalty (blind loyalty, but loyalty nonetheless which is a good trait - but being an honourable trait probably something you'd have look up?)

Had you, dear Angie, replied as such I'd have had a lot more time for your pathetic little jibe at me. But this is the internet where people think they can treat people with contempt and disdain and feel good about yourself, so please carry on, it's no skin off my nose. In fact if it makes you feel better - carry on! It would make me feel better that you're feeling better thanks to me. ;)



Arguing that monarchy is an obsolete concept or that it's wrong in social and/or political terms is one thing. That's debateable. Arguing that the way we currently have it set up is a net financial loss and the country would be financially better off with some other form of head of state is simply wrong unless coupled with advocating that inheritance be severely capped (e.g. 100% inheritance tax over £10M or some such thing). Assuming that tourism is ignored, obviously, as that's much harder to objectively quantify.

No. I stated my opinion and interpretation on the information set before me. I've said again, it's the concept of monarchy that I do not agree with, I mentioned the money as side issue, which owing to a lot posts not only here but also in the past is shrouded in mystery meaning that none of us can confidently say anything about the financials about the royal family.

It's not really necessary to call people ignorant and/or deceitful simply because they don't have the same knowledge as you however. You probably have some unnecessarily long and convoluted reply to justify yourself, but it's how it came across and was wholly unnecessary.

Facts are that we don't truly know the net costs of the Monarchy. I believe they offer value for money regardless of raw figures as I am inherently a Monarchist. Freefaller doesn't, luckily our constitutional monarchy allows him the freedom to hold this view based on his inherent republican viewpoint...he clarified for you what his fundamental basis was and that he was not basing this solely on a financial value. That should be enough for you to understand his position as being neither ignorant nor deceitful, simply different from yours, and incidentally from mine.

It's okay Angie has a problem with me and has for many years because I dared disagree with something he posted a few decades ago - it seems the internet holds grudges. Which is daft because I'm sure in person we'd probably get on well as we've shared similar opinions on other topics.

As such he doesn't try and understand a post, but picks a point and makes faux show of defiance for some reason. :confused:
 
I'd scrap the Royal family purely for the reason it's an affront & utterly incompatible (in my view) with a society which claims to value equality. Succession by birthright (into a position of authority, & significance) based entirely on bloodline is a direct in conflict with my world views.

I don't recognise the titles, neither do I consider myself a subject of anyone.

People should be free to express whatever they want on a person level, pledging to our 'Royal family' should be optional & those of us who find the entire concept absurd shouldn't have a head of state undemocratically inflicted upon us.

I find the entire concept embarrassing to still have in this day & age - obsequious without a doubt.
 
Jesus I hate the Royal Family, has to be the most antiquated, outdated system in the world. How any government with a straight face can say "we're all equal, sorry your majesty I said we are equal" is ludicrous.

Any of you lot that have had a kid around the same time as that last one was born, or are pregnant now, does it not rile you that your kid could find the cure for cancer while being the first person on Mars and then write a song about it that makes Mozart sound like Justin Bieber and after all that they'd still have to bow down to someone who has done nothing except be born?

The only way your kid can ever approach them is by marrying in, literally that is the only thing they can do.

The tourism argument is always trotted out when these come up, like that excuses such hypocrisy and like the Palace of Versailles doesn't attract a single visitor or that Buckingham Palace has to remain closed to tourists' wallets while one old woman rattles around in it.
 
Nice timing on the announcement. A good news story for the Better Together campaign. That is also probably why no due date has been given as a normal three month announcement would not fit with the vote. What next, declaring the baby will be called Mary if the vote is No?
 
I'm struggling to find your point in that mindless rant.

His point is, that to me is quite obvious, that a kid from a poorer background might well be someone who would be capable of great things but due to the class system, but the greater opportunites afforded to the wealthy over someone, from say a council estate, mostly mean the poorer you are the less chance you'll ever be noticed if you did have potential. If everyone was treated equally then anyone capable would stand a chance.

That's how I read his post anyway.
 
His point is, that to me is quite obvious, that a kid from a poorer background might well be someone who would be capable of great things but due to the class system, but the greater opportunites afforded to the wealthy over someone, from say a council estate, mostly mean the poorer you are the less chance you'll ever be noticed if you did have potential. If everyone was treated equally then anyone capable would stand a chance.

That's how I read his post anyway.

Isn't that just the way the world works??

Sorry to burst your bubble. But do you really think scrapping the Royal family will stop people with money having better opportunities? It sucks but it's how things work, and to be fair, they are no more to blame for how and where they were born than the poor kid the the council house.
 
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I'd have a shot on Pippa the Bum Princess. Kate? No.

Yes, of course. Before you met your wife and you were single you'd have looked at a girl like that and said no. Hell I'd go there now and if the wife doesn't like it - tough - ain't like I said she can't join in - Pippa could too for that matter!
 
All the best to them and their new baby. I am not fussed on the Royal family and never have been but i wouldnt wish them any bad words for their new baby.
 
I'd scrap the Royal family purely for the reason it's an affront & utterly incompatible (in my view) with a society which claims to value equality. Succession by birthright (into a position of authority, & significance) based entirely on bloodline is a direct in conflict with my world views.

I don't recognise the titles, neither do I consider myself a subject of anyone.

People should be free to express whatever they want on a person level, pledging to our 'Royal family' should be optional & those of us who find the entire concept absurd shouldn't have a head of state undemocratically inflicted upon us.

I find the entire concept embarrassing to still have in this day & age - obsequious without a doubt.

I almost completely agree, although I'd keep the royals at the top as they bring in a lot of tourism (etcetera) for the country. I'd never bow to them, though, and their children should be given the choice to opt-out if they wish - you should never be born into a job.

The many, many hangers-on would be got rid of in an instant, and so would the archaic loopholes like the one that gifts Charles all the money of those people in Cornwall who die without wills. None of this would ever happen of course - it's all a big boy's club at the top and they protect each other like crazy. Hell, even local councils are corrupt.
 
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