When you boil your point down to the crux, it's just you blaming humans for cats and dogs eating meat. Even if there weren't as many and they were not pets... it would still occur. So I don't get what relevance your point makes. They're meat eaters by design, and humans owning them as pets hasn't changed that fact.
When you boil your point down to the crux, it's just you blaming humans for cats and dogs eating meat. Even if there weren't as many and they were not pets... it would still occur. So I don't get what relevance your point makes. They're meat eaters by design, and humans owning them as pets hasn't changed that fact.
SkodaMart
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Yes, and if you study the Inuit's that had a diet nearly composed of 100% animal products they had many health problems.
The American Indian philosophy was superb, taking only what you need from nature.
See my 'River Cottage' comment in my first post.
I'm against animal cruelty, unnecessary suffering.
Killing a Buffalo to feed your entire family, provide clothing and shelter, sinew to make weapons and bow strings etc sounds like a great use of limited resources to me, especially through harsh winters.
I'm not against eating meat for survival - I have said this many times.
I think what they are trying to explain to you though is if those by products had enough of a demand then an animal would be killed to acquire it.
Take tiger penis for example. Some Asian guy wants to get hard so he thinks taking tiger penis will help him, a tiger is killed for this product not the meat or the fur etc...
The crux of my point was that owning a pet cat increases the number of cats, which increases the requirement for their food, which means more animals die to feed them.
I'm not worried about the motivation of cats for eating meat. Cats gonna cat.
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Just.....what?
The point being, if you buy / adopt a cat you make the choice to do so. Therefore that choice supports the slaughter industry because cat food contains products derived from that industry. If you didnt, and the cat was wild - true it would be a carnivore by design but it would not be eating pet food from the supermarket. It would be eating prey like mice and birds.
Are you really unable to see the point?
SkodaMart
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Utter rubbish.
That sounds like she was getting the majority of her energy from fat and animal based products.
When you stop eating fat and animal based products you must find an alternative source of energy, such as natural sugars in fruit and carbohydrates.
I really do not get why people find this hard to comprehend.
If there where no meat eating pets then there would not be an industry surrounding meat pet food. It would happen naturally in the wild where numbers would be SIGNIFICANTLY less than today meat eating pet numbers.
I bet I can turn any of you grass eaters with my homemade minty lamb burgers or various chicken dishes.
Cook up a batch and take some pictures! Nothing like a bit of food porn to convert the non believers!
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I agree 100% with your sentiment OP, however this thread is most likely to be a train wreck.
I am not vegetarian but describe myself as 'Meat Conscious' - I have nothing against eating meat but modern factory farming of animals for meat is disgraceful. I used to be a prolific meat eater, a whole chicken at nandos etc, but I made the switch about half a year ago, when my cat bought home a rabbit that was neither dead, nor entirely alive (schrodinger irony). I could not kill it to put it out of its clear misery, and it made me rethink my entire attitude towards meat.
People have an utterly bizarre attitude towards animals and meat. The delusion runs so deep, that when you become aware of it, its quite shocking to see the 'things' you once missed. Who walks past a piece of roadkill on the side of the road and thinks 'mmmm, that will be a tastey pie', and yet the security scanners at my local supermarket are decorated with marketing boards depicting prime cuts of beef. Right at the entrance, a hunk of meat, from a once living thing, dressed for camera and proudly displayed.
The marketing of meat (prepared, dressed, artifically modified and photographed) is so far removed from the original animal, there is a cognative disconnect between the death of the animal and the end product. You wouldnt stand by and watch a piglet get thrown in to a blender for sausages. So why is it ok, so long as you don't 'know' its a piglet?
Shortly after the rabbit incident I caught an episode of countryfile or something with a wild boar farmer, who claimed to love the animals he was deliberately raising for slaughter to be eaten. He had the look of a psycopathic madman in his eyes. You can not love an animal on one hand, while thinking 'ooooo, that will be tastey with some apple' on the other.
I am not vegetarian but describe myself as 'Meat Conscious' - I have nothing against eating meat but modern factory farming of animals for meat is disgraceful. I used to be a prolific meat eater, a whole chicken at nandos etc, but I made the switch about half a year ago, when my cat bought home a rabbit that was neither dead, nor entirely alive (schrodinger irony). I could not kill it to put it out of its clear misery, and it made me rethink my entire attitude towards meat.
People have an utterly bizarre attitude towards animals and meat. The delusion runs so deep, that when you become aware of it, its quite shocking to see the 'things' you once missed. Who walks past a piece of roadkill on the side of the road and thinks 'mmmm, that will be a tastey pie', and yet the security scanners at my local supermarket are decorated with marketing boards depicting prime cuts of beef. Right at the entrance, a hunk of meat, from a once living thing, dressed for camera and proudly displayed.
The marketing of meat (prepared, dressed, artifically modified and photographed) is so far removed from the original animal, there is a cognative disconnect between the death of the animal and the end product. You wouldnt stand by and watch a piglet get thrown in to a blender for sausages. So why is it ok, so long as you don't 'know' its a piglet?
Shortly after the rabbit incident I caught an episode of countryfile or something with a wild boar farmer, who claimed to love the animals he was deliberately raising for slaughter to be eaten. He had the look of a psycopathic madman in his eyes. You can not love an animal on one hand, while thinking 'ooooo, that will be tastey with some apple' on the other.
But it's irrelevant in as much as it's still support of the industry, and I think his particular support is based in ignorance, that he doesn't realise just how many every day things are made with animal products.
The argument that they have died anyway works for eating the meat, hence my point that there isn't really a practical difference between the two.
If you are truly against the meat industry then you put the effort in and don't consume any products that are produced via the meat industry, including by products, otherwise it's just a menial token gesture that allows some people to feel morally superior than others, hence his mentioning of morals so much.
In most uses of animal by-products, the market would be pretty niche. Much like tiger penis.
We use a lot of leather because is it the best material at its price point. If you're having to pay for a whole cow to get its hide (in a world where meat eating is minimised), the cost would necessitate an alternative. There may still be a high-end market, but it would probably be crowded out by public opinion (like the real fur industry)
Whenever I see a thread with any sort of social justice look to it I can guarantee Cheesyboy will be there :/
Meat is tasty, animals are killed humanely (as can be) for my food and not burned alive in a cage....to think those two are comparable really shows how loony a SJW you are.
Meat is tasty, animals are killed humanely (as can be) for my food and not burned alive in a cage....to think those two are comparable really shows how loony a SJW you are.
Let me guess, dietary fat is bad for you and makes you fat, right?
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Is it? Chicken is one of the blandest meats known to mankind, so much so it takes on the flavour of whatever you put with it.
edit: Nah I'm out. Not going to get drawn in to this one. The OP is right, you are all deluded and the collective conscious of posters in GD is too immature to rationally talk about an important topic.
Not really, she was doing the diet my Vegan colleague suggested to her.
Exactly, which is why I've said cost is irrelevant in this example.