Nation of meat eating animal lovers?

[Amp34]

Letting a species go gracefully into the history books which is only there to service man isn't a huge loss. Most domesticated modern animals only reproduce out of a result of artificial insemination anyway.

To keep a species in existence to live a life of death & servitude isn't really something to aspire to in my view.

It's amazing the amount of effort people seem to go through to keep old breeds of domesticated animal from "extinction". On the other hand the problem with letting all breeds of a domesticated animal go the way of the dodo is that they are the closest link to the original wild animal. Many of the forebearers of our domesticated animals are now extinct. The last wild "cow" is believed to have been killed in Poland in the 1600s after it had been hunted from its range over most of Europe and beyond. The last wild horse may have been one that died in a zoo in Russia in 1909 (debateable - may have been much earlier).

Unfortunately these "useful" domesticated versions are all that we have left.

 

[Amp34]

I tried those Quorn hot and spicy chicken nuggets the other day,Not bad actually they were quite nice..got me another pack..still though,I do like my meat...

Hope they aren't made of soy. Around 20% of soy is grown on illegally cleared land. That, Palm oil and to a lesser extent beef (which is also fed a significant amount of soy from illegally deforested land) is one of the primary drivers in deforestation.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ts-illegally-destroyed-commercial-agriculture

Unfortunately the reality is it's very difficult to eat food from non local smallholdings/back gardens without being part of the cause of massive environmental damage. That said, unless it's 100% grass fed cattle beef is going to be one of the worst.

Edit: quadruple combo... Maybe I'll go and do something productive with my day now...

 

[AdladUK]

When you think about it eating meat and saying you're an animal lover is very hypocritical.

The fact we love cats and dogs as a nation is purely cultural. It's not about intelligence... Pigs are smarter than cats and we love bacon more than any other country on Earth.

So yes, I do agree in large part with the OP. It's hypocritical and quite shallow minded to love one type of animal and enjoy eating another

 

[krooton]

When you think about it eating meat and saying you're an animal lover is very hypocritical.

Why does loving animals make eating meat mutually exclusive though?

We are animal lovers because the well-being of their lives (irrespective of their ultimate end) is important, we don't like suffering, be it a dog getting kicked by it's owner, or a chicken being smacked around in a slaughterhouse.

 

[AdladUK]

Why does loving animals make eating meat mutually exclusive though?

We are animal lovers because the well-being of their lives (irrespective of their ultimate end) is important, we don't like suffering, be it a dog getting kicked by it's owner, or a chicken being smacked around in a slaughterhouse.

That's a fair point and I agree to an extent.

I think most normal level headed people don't want any living thing to suffer though, especially for a prolonged period.

The point is, saying you absolutely love and adore one type of animal and then being completely okay with stuffing your face with another, IS hypocritical.

Think about it... You're essentially saying it's perfectly fine to kill a certain type of animal (basically for cultural reasons), but not okay to kill another type. What gives us the right (other than force) to make that assumption?

BTW I'm a full on meat eater, but in all honesty have never really been in "love" with a cat or dog. I had an awesome cat once who I really liked, but when he got lost it's not like my life suddenly ended

 

[Amp34]

Do your comments also extend to humans?

 

[~>Dg<~]

Watched a documentary about the re-introduction of wolves to Yellowstone. Mostly done because the bison, elk and deer populations were out of control and destroying all the flora. The impact the re-introduction of wolves has had is huge, with lots of flora now able to recover when it would barely have any time during migration periods.

Of course, it's ****ed off the farmers who own cattle and sheep. And there's the whole "der gubbermunt aint tellin' us wut ter do" lot getting in on the argument too.

Can't remember the name of the documentary, but this fella (Doug Smith) was in it.

with deer if too many populate a area you have to cull them down . if you dont nature does by disease. then the disease wipes out all of the deer.

this happens often. thats why you need balance.

they would have introduced the wolves to bring balance back or try to. better than flying round in helis shooting em.

 

[Jono8]

The point is, saying you absolutely love and adore one type of animal and then being completely okay with stuffing your face with another, IS hypocritical.

No it isn't

 

[krooton]

No it isn't

Saying you don't eat meat, and then eating meat is, but then none of us are saying that in the first place.

 

[AdladUK]

No it isn't

So a cat is more important than a pig or what?

We can eat pigs all day, but dare not touch cats. Why?

Cats are more loving? No. Cats are more intelligent? No. So what is it? I'm genuinely curious.

What moral basis is there for eating pig but not cat? Other than some self-imposed cultural belief that one is okay to consume and the other is not

 

[AdladUK]

Saying you don't eat meat, and then eating meat is, but then none of us are saying that in the first place.

I'm pretty sure that's not being hypocritical, it's just being a liar

 

[Jono8]

So a cat is more important than a pig or what?

We can eat pigs all day, but dare not touch cats. Why?

Cats are more loving? No. Cats are more intelligent? No. So what is it? I'm genuinely curious.

What moral basis is there for eating pig but not cat? Other than some self-imposed cultural belief that one is okay to consume and the other is not

I don't think you understand what hypocritical means. For example, simply keeping a dog as a pet and loving it, and then keeping a pig to eventually slaughter and eat doesn't make you a hypocrite.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Seen it and it's not going to change my stance on my lifestyle. However it reinforces the fact that I am happy with where I buy my meat from and am responsible with my lifestyle choice.

Same here but still an eye opener.

 

[AdladUK]

I don't think you understand what hypocritical means. Simply keeping a dog as a pet and loving it, and then keeping a pig to eventually slaughter and eat doesn't make you a hypocrite.

I would hope I do understand what it means, but for argument sake here is the official definition:

behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

I think being an "animal lover" but eating meat would certainly fall under this definition.

Perhaps for some reason if you were just a "dog lover" then maybe not, but then it's more a question of morals rather than specific word definitions.

Ignoring the word hypocritical for a moment, what moral ground is there for a person to love one type of animal, but eat another (as per my pig example, which you pretty much completely ignored)?

 

[Jono8]

Ignoring the word hypocritical for a moment, what moral ground is there for a person to love one type of animal, but eat another (as per my pig example, which you pretty much completely ignored)?

So you think people that love their pets, but still eat meat are immoral people?

 

[AdladUK]

So you think people that love their pets, but still eat meat are immoral people?

You're cherry picking my words and making extreme arguments without actually answering anything of what I posted.

I think saying you love one type of animal, but are perfectly happy to stuff your face with another type, does raise a question of morality, yes. And I already laid out very clearly why I believe that.

Does that mean all dog owners are scum for eating a chicken burger? Of course not. I never suggested such a thing. I was merely questioning what makes one type of animal okay to eat, but another totally off limits. Intelligence of the animal? Culture? What exactly?

 

[Glaucus]

Mm I will try any meat(other than endangered animals). So you can keep your nonsense.

The fact is certain animals in the UK are not bread for eating, as such you aren't going to kill someone's pet to eat it.

 

[Jono8]

I was merely questioning what makes one type of animal okay to eat, but another totally off limits. Intelligence of the animal? Culture? What exactly?

A myriad of things (including those that you have listed) that would take too long to list. There will be many people in the world that will have a pet pig, cow, sheep etc but will still eat meat.

 

[AdladUK]

A myriad of things (including those that you have listed) that would take too long to list.

So basically you're willing to contribute absolutely nothing to this discussion or the points I raised. Okay, got it

 

[Jono8]

So basically you're willing to contribute absolutely nothing to this discussion or the points I raised. Okay, got it

No, you know full well why people love domesticated animals and why/how people can build a relationship and feelings towards animals. If you don't, then I don't have time to teach you the basics of human history and psychology.

To say that people who have pets but still eat meat are immoral is ridiculous.