AMD Radeon R9 390X Arrives In 1H 2015 – May Feature “Hydra” Liquid Cooling

win8.1 · 28 Sep 2014 at 18:33

Final8y said:
I must admit im seeing a repeat of what happened over the last 2 years and i would not pay what they are asking for, no matter whos band is on the card, and its expect that a new gen mid range to match and old gen high end card, but not with the high end price tag.

But because performance jumps have been slowing down for quite some time, so when a mid range matched high end people pay the high end price and the real high end get priced even higher.

Exactly right. I am glad some people notice the trend in prices over the last 2 gen's even if all do not or just don't care.

Final8y · 28 Sep 2014 at 18:45

win8.1 said:
Exactly right. I am glad some people notice the trend in prices over the last 2 gen's even if all do not or just don't care.

If this was AMDs new card there would be a lot less excitement and people would not be happy with the price..

win8.1 · 28 Sep 2014 at 18:51

Retron said:
It's a shame that the new strategy with Kepler paid off so well for them.

Since the "named" series started with Tesla, we've had the following:

PHP:

Midrange (x60) Highend (x80) Tesla (200) GT200 (448-bit) GT200 (512-bit) Fermi (400) GF104 (256-bit) GF100 (384-bit) Fermi (500) GF114 (256-bit) GF110 (384-bit) Kepler (600) GK106 (192-bit) GK104 (256-bit) Kepler (700) GK104 (256-bit) GK110 (384-bit) Maxwell (900) n/a GM204 (256-bit)

The 400, 500 and 700 series all follow the x04 chip being midrange. The 680 blatantly used a midrange chip when it was released. A cynic would say it's because Nvidia made more money selling GK110 to the compute crowd (and latterly as the Titan), then once yields improved and the performance-at-all-cost crowd had been bled dry, *then* it was time for GK110 to be released as a normal high-end card.

As that seemed to work pretty well, it's no surprise to see the same thing happening again with Maxwell. What's the betting that the consumer form of GM210 initially appears in a Titan format? Pretty high, I'd say!

Yes it is unfortunate it has worked out well for them. I think your right. Titan II at £800+ then 780 equivalent for £500+ a good while after depending on Amd while Amd launch their 390x/390 for £400 and £300 approx.

win8.1 · 28 Sep 2014 at 18:58

Final8y said:
If this was AMDs new card there would be a lot less excitement and people would not be happy with the price..

True. I certainly would not be happy if Amd followed the same 256bit bus trend for £300 at the same performance as old gen Nvidia.

Silent_Scone · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:01

You're a factory of face palms. the 980 could be £250 and still wipe the floor with the 290x and you'd still come up with some inane criticism

Gregster · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:02

win8.1 said:
True. I certainly would not be happy if Amd followed the same 256bit bus trend for £300 at the same performance as old gen Nvidia.

Ok, point made and time to move on. What do you expect from AMDs new 3 series cards out of curiosity?

Mal X · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:02

Uncle Petey said:
Why would it be a failure if it's not at least 20% faster than a 980?

because it's not due out to about April......... a very long time, so by then it should be about 20% or more powerful......April is a very long time to really tune that card

Nutella33 · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:24

Mal X said:
because it's not due out to about April......... a very long time, so by then it should be about 20% or more powerful......April is a very long time to really tune that card

By that logic nvidia had a year to beat the 290x and ended up equalling it?

Final8y · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:30

MjFrosty said:
You're a factory of face palms. the 980 could be £250 and still wipe the floor with the 290x and you'd still come up with some inane criticism

£220-£250 tops would be perfect, leaving room for the 980 to come in at £275-£340 and the top end at £380-£450, but the 980 has already taken that price bracket.

Gregster · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:32

Final8y said:
£220-£250 tops would be perfect, leaving room for the 980 to come in at £275-£340 and the top end at £380-£450, but the 980 has already taken that price bracket.

Well the 290X launched at $549 and the 980 launched at $549. That doesn't leave much room for the 3 series by your logic.

Final8y · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:35

Gregster said:
Well the 290X launched at $549 and the 980 launched at $549. That doesn't leave much room for the 3 series by your logic.

Other examples being equally as bad changes nothing, i was not in favor of the 290X launch price either so your point is moot.

Silent_Scone · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:36

Final8y said:
£220-£250 tops would be perfect, leaving room for the 980 to come in at £275-£340 and the top end at £380-£450, but the 980 has already taken that price bracket.

That's brilliant. I cant really comment as R&D and manufacturing cost is company knowledge but I'm sure when the 390x performance per watt is at least as good and comes in at your desired price you'll be happy. Once you've scared off the pigs that keep flying into your window

Gregster · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:41

Final8y said:
Other examples being equally as bad changes nothing, i was not in favor of the 290X launch price either so your point is moot.

Not really, as I was giving an example of what is what on launches and if nVidia or AMD wanted to launch a new card, they have the ability to drop prices of the old cards (780 being a prime example when the 780Ti and 290X were launched). Just because launch prices are set, doesn't mean that prices can't be adjusted to bring in the newer cards, so your original point doesn't have any substance to it really.

Edit:

It seems that with the launch of the 970/980, the people buying also disagree and feel the price is justifiable. And there is a lot of people buying.

old gamer · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:42

My guestimate is the 380x will come as soon as possible to take on the 970, price and performance somwhere inbetween the 970 & 980, i think the amd boffins mabe rethinking the 390x causing a delay due to maxwell

Final8y · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:44

MjFrosty said:
That's brilliant. I cant really comment as R&D and manufacturing cost is conpany knowledge but I'm sure when the 390x performance per watt is at least as good and comes in at your desired price you'll be happy. Once you've scared off the pigs that keep flying into your window

You would have a point but if it was not for the news of NVs GPU markup.
Prices are what they are because we let them be or there would not be any dramatic price drops out side of EOL and nothing based on the competitions prices.

Final8y · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:49

Gregster said:
Not really, as I was giving an example of what is what on launches and if nVidia or AMD wanted to launch a new card, they have the ability to drop prices of the old cards (780 being a prime example when the 780Ti and 290X were launched). Just because launch prices are set, doesn't mean that prices can't be adjusted to bring in the newer cards, so your original point doesn't have any substance to it really.

Edit:

It seems that with the launch of the 970/980, the people buying also disagree and feel the price is justifiable. And there is a lot of people buying.

Which has nothing to do with my point, my point has nothing to do with price high so you can look good dropping the price.

And your edit just reinforced my point about people accepting higher prices.

Final8y · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:53

But now you have mentioned it, the early adopter price for example was £500 to keep it simple, then drops to £400 for non early adopters where it should have been but with price manipulation the early adopter price is now £600 then drops to £500 for non early adopters so that they will be happy with paying the early adopter price of last time.

Gregster · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:56

Final8y said:
£220-£250 tops would be perfect, leaving room for the 980 to come in at £275-£340 and the top end at £380-£450, but the 980 has already taken that price bracket.

Final8y said:
But now you have mentioned it, the early adopter price for example was £500 to keep it simple, then drops to £400 where it should have been but with price manipulation the early adopter price is now £600 then drops to £500 just so that non early adopters will be happy with paying the early adopter price of last time.

In your opinion. That obviously isn't the opinion of those who bought nVidia's new flagship cards.

Final8y · 28 Sep 2014 at 19:59

Gregster said:
In your opinion. That obviously isn't the opinion of those who bought nVidia's new flagship cards.

And you miss my point again, who said it was a problem for NV, it clearly is not, im just saying what is happening.
And prices rising is not an opinion its a fact.

Silent_Scone · 28 Sep 2014 at 20:03

Final8y said:
You would have a point but if it was not for the news of NVs GPU markup.
Prices are what they are because we let them be or there would not be any dramatic price drops out side of EOL and nothing based on the competitions prices.

Sorry I must have missed something you sounded like you had proof to suggest otherwise lol