Russian Grand Prix 2014, Sochi - Race 16/19
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No other team do that though. It makes no sense giving credit to another company especially in the name, unless you are getting something out off it.
Prior to 2012 Mercedes owned 35% so that could be a reason why their name is in it, but doesn't explain the last few years.
Prior to 2012 Mercedes owned 35% so that could be a reason why their name is in it, but doesn't explain the last few years.
The thing is, he's pretty much right, and I have had to retract my original stance as I didn't realise the team name included Mercedes.
But they aren't a title sponsor.
apart from the hundreds of times I have and even apologised on occasions when it got to heated.
It's something to do with the registration process and not being able to change too much/certain aspects of the name without registering as a new team rather than a continuing team and thus forfeiting your 'placing' from the previous years championship isn't it?
Lotus Renault being another example a little while ago, they had to go Renault F1 Team > Lotus Renault GP > Lotus F1 Team
That being said, i may have just totally made that up
Lotus Renault being another example a little while ago, they had to go Renault F1 Team > Lotus Renault GP > Lotus F1 Team
That being said, i may have just totally made that up
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Never heard off that. Got anything to back it up?
I've always thought there's two ways to get into the teams name.
Title sponsor or part owner.
And mclaren have denied rumours that Honda will be buying into the team.
And as far as I know Mercedes sold all their shares back to Ron Denis a few years ago.
I've always thought there's two ways to get into the teams name.
Title sponsor or part owner.
And mclaren have denied rumours that Honda will be buying into the team.
And as far as I know Mercedes sold all their shares back to Ron Denis a few years ago.
BMW Sauber ran in 2010 (I think?) with zero involvememt from BMW. They ran Ferrari engines, but the team was still called BMW Sauber.
This is because there is a deadline for entry into the following years F1 championship. Making a change to your entry after this means you are submitting a new entry, not renewing a current entry, and you lose your stake to any prize money from the previous year that would be awarded. BMW Sauber had an entry in the 2010 season and the deadline passes before BMW then pulled out. Sauber could have renamed the team and resubmitted the entry but would have lost all the 2009 prize money.
So its entirely possible an entry was made for 2014 as McLaren Mercedes and they decided not to change it once they failed to negotiate an extended free engines deal with Mercedes as the deadline for entry had passed.
The Mercedes in the name is certainly not because Mercedes are paying for it to be there.
Edit: this is also the regulation that all the teams agreed to let slide for Brawn to take Honda's place in 2009 without reapplying.
This is because there is a deadline for entry into the following years F1 championship. Making a change to your entry after this means you are submitting a new entry, not renewing a current entry, and you lose your stake to any prize money from the previous year that would be awarded. BMW Sauber had an entry in the 2010 season and the deadline passes before BMW then pulled out. Sauber could have renamed the team and resubmitted the entry but would have lost all the 2009 prize money.
So its entirely possible an entry was made for 2014 as McLaren Mercedes and they decided not to change it once they failed to negotiate an extended free engines deal with Mercedes as the deadline for entry had passed.
The Mercedes in the name is certainly not because Mercedes are paying for it to be there.
Edit: this is also the regulation that all the teams agreed to let slide for Brawn to take Honda's place in 2009 without reapplying.
But that seems more like, at time of entering that it was enterd as BMW dauber and it was changed in time, and then 2011 they removed bwm name, which isn't what is happening with mclaren. MErecedes aren't owners, they left several years ago from what I can see.
Some one message Ted and find out what's going on. I'm leaning to we are all wrong. There must be a reason Mercedes is in the name, you don't give that up for nothing.
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I think that's what I was half remembering that led to the nonsense about only being able to change half the name on the previous page
I think that's what I was half remembering that led to the nonsense about only being able to change half the name on the previous page
Yep.
The Renault/Lotus thing is another good example of how a team name has zero relation to the teams sponsorship. Lotus F1 have nothing to do with Lotus Cars, and haven't done for a couple of years. And they ran as Renault for a couple of years with no funding from Renault.
That's also totally different,
Mclaren is McLaren, there's zero reason for calling it Mercedes.
Where lotus are calling them self lotus and have the right to call them self lotus, so no that obviously isn't anything to do with sponsorship.
Again there must be a reason mclaren are including Mercedes in the name.
Mclaren is McLaren, there's zero reason for calling it Mercedes.
Where lotus are calling them self lotus and have the right to call them self lotus, so no that obviously isn't anything to do with sponsorship.
Again there must be a reason mclaren are including Mercedes in the name.
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they were part owner they sold their shares back to peter sauber
Wasn't the free engines the last few years just part of the buy back of shares they had in the team. Rather than give them x million back they got engines for free, iirc?
They sold the shares back in 2009, they had nothing to do with the 2010 team