London Set for smoking crackdown?!

I dont think this has anything to do with pollution, its just about public health - those using this as an excuse to hit back should know that!
 
http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/03/19/there-is-no-such-thing-as-public-health/

There is only individual health. The "public" does not have a health, as the "public" does not exist in the same way the individual does. There are individual health statistics that can be considered to be public health statistics. But you can not speak of the "public health" as if it is a real entity that exists.

Although people have entire careers based on "public health" that doesn't mean much as there are people with careers in government based on a whole lot less than that.
 
Can't help but find myself agreeing somewhat with Groen here. Oddly.

There are always compelling reasons for removing these little freedoms. Whether they be smoking in public, viewing extreme pornography (involving consenting adults), urinating standing up, or onerous terror laws. It's all pretty rosy when people you don't like are those who are affected, but it sets a culture of removal of freedoms, when perhaps education/information based methods would be more in-keeping with a democratic society. Sooner or later, we are all going to be affected.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
I can't stand people who smoke as soon as they walk out of the train station.
I get it every day as hundreds of people are trying to get out and we are all forced to inhale someones smoke in a confined space.
 
Smoking in public spaces can/should be outlawed.
As a reformed smoker I don't see any problem with it on a personal level, its a free choice.

Anyway It will be impractical to enforce. I'm sure they will make some short term money gain if there is a fine attached.

People get very moronic on the subject, oh no i smelled a burning cigarette from across the road. Get over yourselves.
People are also very moronic and inconsiderate lighting up in small spaces, bus queues. door ways etc etc.
People are to blame, ban people.
 
Efour said:
Smoking in public spaces can/should be outlawed.
As a reformed smoker I don't see any problem with it on a personal level, its a free choice.

Anyway It will be impractical to enforce. I'm sure they will make some short term money gain if there is a fine attached.

People get very moronic on the subject, oh no i smelled a burning cigarette from across the road. Get over yourselves.
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I'm in the same boat. I used to be a smoker and quit some years ago (7). I also never smoked in "Public" as I felt others wouldn't appreciate it and most certainly didn't smoke in doorways. It was always in a hidden corner or out the way.
 
anything I don't mind said:
Sharia is a public health issue as well. After all bacon is not good for you.
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Sharia has nothing to do with public health. Bacon is fine in moderation as part of a balanced diet. The evidence shows that's it's not good for you in large quantities, but that's the case for most foods.

anything I don't mind said:
No i am serious about public health not existing, it is just invented by over bearing control freak who like to control the lives of the population.
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You can keep repeating that but it doesn't make it any more true and without a cohesive argument you're not going to convince anyone to change their position on it.
 
I must admit I'm glad smoking was banned in restaurants however banning it in pubs/clubs just unmasked the smell of BO and vomit :D.

I was a smoker until 2 years ago and I never smoked around non smokers it just didn't feel fair. Even when I was walking down the street if I saw a child I'd hide it.

The most disgusting part of smokers for me is butts on the floor I couldn't care less about the rest of it. Its litter plain and simple.
 
anything I don't mind said:
http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/03/19/there-is-no-such-thing-as-public-health/

There is only individual health. The "public" does not have a health, as the "public" does not exist in the same way the individual does. There are individual health statistics that can be considered to be public health statistics. But you can not speak of the "public health" as if it is a real entity that exists.

Although people have entire careers based on "public health" that doesn't mean much as there are people with careers in government based on a whole lot less than that.
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So what's your stance on vaccinations and the science of epidemiology?
 
snips86x said:
I'm in the same boat. I used to be a smoker and quit some years ago (7). I also never smoked in "Public" as I felt others wouldn't appreciate it and most certainly didn't smoke in doorways. It was always in a hidden corner or out the way.
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Yeah me too about 7 years as well :P

I hate it when people think everyone smokes in their face just to annoy them personally.
Those kinds of people are jerks full stop. Feet on the seat, talk loud on the mobile on the bus swearing *****.

If anyone had ever turned to me and said 'that stinks' or 'please stop', I wouldn't hesitate because i wasn't a douchenozzle (i am a douchenozzle now)
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Sharia has nothing to do with public health. Bacon is fine in moderation as part of a balanced diet. The evidence shows that's it's not good for you in large quantities, but that's the case for most foods.



You can keep repeating that but it doesn't make it any more true and without a cohesive argument you're not going to convince anyone to change their position on it.
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I have just explained why public health does not exist. Only individual health exists, please show me where this public health exists.

That is very hypocritical to say that bacon or alcohol is not a public health issue. I think bacon and alcohol should be banned on the grounds of public health. I don't see any reason not to justify sharia law with public health stance.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
So what's your stance on vaccinations and the science of epidemiology?
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What has vaccinations got to do with using public health stance to justify controlling the lives of individuals?

Epidemiology, like i said of course you can get public health statistics which is essentially just the data of the health of individuals. This data can be used in various ways.
 
Meh you ban it altogether it will just go black market. Then no tax to treasury, extra god knows what in the fags making it all the more toxic to smokers and others.
 
I used to smoke and I'm in the same mindset as some above me.

I always smoked out the way, went round a corner or sat on the bench furthest away In a beer garden. I hate it when people smoke in queues, at a bus stop or similar. and I always blew my smoke upwards/ away from people.

Doesn't make sense that if its for health reasons they ban it in the big open areas not in the smaller areas where it will affect you a lot more.
 
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