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Civilization: Beyond Earth gets Mantle API after Catalyst 14.9.2 Update
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A 10% boost in performance is nice
A 50% boost in performance is even nicer thanks to Mantle, hopefully DX12 can emulate the great work AMD has for everyone
3/4 way isn't supported yet afaik, disable one of your 7990's.
It is as i was running 3x7950s until a few days ago.
In this particular game this is correct, only 2 way Mantle support.
Hold on a minute Matt didn't you say this
To my post below?
and now we have Cat's 14.9.2 getting Mantle API
To my post below?
and now we have Cat's 14.9.2 getting Mantle API
14.9.1 works on Mantle too, but 14.9.2 is the recommended driver.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/8640/benchmarked-civilization-beyond-earth/3
This is the benchmark results people need to see when games are linked and weren't shown in this thread(even despite the Mantle theme of it) or the main Anandtech thread.
at 1080p a 290x has 20% higher minimums than the 980, it has 15% higher minimums in QHD and 3% higher minimums than the 980 at 4k even though the 980 has higher average FPS at all resolutions.
The 290x doesn't hit quite the highs to push the averages up but consistently doesn't drop as low as the 980 with Mantle.
From day one Mantle's single biggest performance factor has been improvements in minimums. In Thief the maximum fps improvement was there but not drastic, the minimums were hugely improved though.
Through Mantle for a given average FPS it is destroying, and I do mean destroying DX11/Nvidia in minimums.
Every thread on Mantle should not fail to include the minimum framerate because that is where DX11 is completely out matched, for AMD or Nvidia cards, compared to Mantle.
When DX12 comes along the same thing will happen, the biggest advantage will be in minimums however when more games don't take such a hit in those situations you get to the minimums(effectively when the highest levels of detail on screen occur) they can design a game to add more stuff and not have it become a chug fest.
DX11 isn't massively bottlenecked when a scene isn't busy or full of effects, but stutters and slows dramatically when more is asked of it, Mantle doesn't.
For some numbers on it, the 980 at 1080p/ultra drops performance by about 52.5% from average fps to minimums, that is monumental. The 290x loses only 32% performance, if the 980 only dropped 32% performance it's minimum framerate would be 81fps instead of the 56fps it actually gets. That is a huge difference, suggesting the 980 could gain 25fps in minimum framerate with a better API.
More to the point if the game is designed around how much detail they can put in a game before minimums get too low..... if you raise the minimums by 25fps, you can decide to put in a lot more detail/effects and end up back with the same performance but better graphics.
This is the benchmark results people need to see when games are linked and weren't shown in this thread(even despite the Mantle theme of it) or the main Anandtech thread.
at 1080p a 290x has 20% higher minimums than the 980, it has 15% higher minimums in QHD and 3% higher minimums than the 980 at 4k even though the 980 has higher average FPS at all resolutions.
The 290x doesn't hit quite the highs to push the averages up but consistently doesn't drop as low as the 980 with Mantle.
From day one Mantle's single biggest performance factor has been improvements in minimums. In Thief the maximum fps improvement was there but not drastic, the minimums were hugely improved though.
Through Mantle for a given average FPS it is destroying, and I do mean destroying DX11/Nvidia in minimums.
Every thread on Mantle should not fail to include the minimum framerate because that is where DX11 is completely out matched, for AMD or Nvidia cards, compared to Mantle.
When DX12 comes along the same thing will happen, the biggest advantage will be in minimums however when more games don't take such a hit in those situations you get to the minimums(effectively when the highest levels of detail on screen occur) they can design a game to add more stuff and not have it become a chug fest.
DX11 isn't massively bottlenecked when a scene isn't busy or full of effects, but stutters and slows dramatically when more is asked of it, Mantle doesn't.
For some numbers on it, the 980 at 1080p/ultra drops performance by about 52.5% from average fps to minimums, that is monumental. The 290x loses only 32% performance, if the 980 only dropped 32% performance it's minimum framerate would be 81fps instead of the 56fps it actually gets. That is a huge difference, suggesting the 980 could gain 25fps in minimum framerate with a better API.
More to the point if the game is designed around how much detail they can put in a game before minimums get too low..... if you raise the minimums by 25fps, you can decide to put in a lot more detail/effects and end up back with the same performance but better graphics.
I don't see why people are so hung up on fps? It is a turn based game that would work at 10 fps, let alone 200fps. All the Civ games I have played have been the same and this is built on the Civ 5 engine. Sure if it was a fast paced twitch shooter like BF4, then fps is important, but it isn't.
I remember playing the original Civilization on the Amiga and in a huge game and late on, I could be waiting 10 minutes while the calculations for the AI was done. That is the most important part to a turn based game to me and get those calcs done nice and quick, so it is my turn again.
I remember playing the original Civilization on the Amiga and in a huge game and late on, I could be waiting 10 minutes while the calculations for the AI was done. That is the most important part to a turn based game to me and get those calcs done nice and quick, so it is my turn again.
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Or had time to overwrite the DX functions responsible for the slowdown :S no doubt nvidia will have another driver with improvements, then AMD will bring out another patch, and so on.
I hate myself for this, but Somebody is wrong and it would be nice to know who we can trust to be accurate.
This thread is about the new driver which on AMD's driver webpage states
Now if this new driver enables Mantle support then it couldn't of been enabled before, could it. And yet our very own Matt has just a few posts back stated.
in answer to Neils question
Now if this is a slip up by Matt, fair enough. I'm sure as an AMD representative can say sorry and we can all move on, no problem.
But If this is as I suspect it to be, an AMD error, and the fact that Matt is correct that it did work before. Then what are AMD up to announcing a new driver that enables it, when it already worked.
This is almost mickey mouse time, or big floppy hat, clown shoes with a squirty flower.
Come On AMD get your act together.
This thread is about the new driver which on AMD's driver webpage states
Now if this new driver enables Mantle support then it couldn't of been enabled before, could it. And yet our very own Matt has just a few posts back stated.
in answer to Neils question
Now if this is a slip up by Matt, fair enough. I'm sure as an AMD representative can say sorry and we can all move on, no problem.
But If this is as I suspect it to be, an AMD error, and the fact that Matt is correct that it did work before. Then what are AMD up to announcing a new driver that enables it, when it already worked.
This is almost mickey mouse time, or big floppy hat, clown shoes with a squirty flower.
Come On AMD get your act together.
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I hate myself for this, but Somebody is wrong and it would be nice to know who we can trust to be accurate.
This thread is about the new driver which on AMD's driver webpage states
Now if this new driver enables Mantle support then it couldn't of been enabled before, could it. And yet our very own Matt has just a few posts back stated.
in answer to Neils question
Now if this is a slip up by Matt, fair enough. I'm sure as an AMD representative can say sorry and we can all move on, no problem.
But If this is as I suspect it to be, an AMD error, and the fact that Matt is correct that it did work before. Then what are AMD up to announcing a new driver that enables it, when it already worked.
This is almost mickey mouse time, or big floppy hat, clown shoes with a squirty flower.
Come On AMD get your act together.
Maybe the game just worked with mantle we had already, but for performance optimisation and tweaks the driver for this was in 14.9.2
Just like how you can run a dx11 game but performance could be very bad, till latest driver is released to support that game.
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