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United States Grand Prix 2014, Austin - Race 17/19
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I can't help it if you don't know what to ask. Go away and think of putting it better and then come back.
I get the feeling trying to have this conversation with you is going to be a waste of my time.
Would that be a bad thing?
Get rid of the cconstructors championship and instead have a teams championship, and allow each chassis constructor to supply 2 teams. You would have a factory team and a customer team.
Much the same as WRC used to run where there were a number of teams running Citroens and Fords made by the same people, and how BTCC is with the relationship between the factory Honda team and Pirtek racing, both running cars prepared by the same company.
The relationships are already there. Red Bull and Toro Rosso, Ferrari and Haas, McLaren and Force India. It would need some thinking, but having 6 manufacturers supplying 12 teams meaning 24 competitive cars would surely be better than some of the other options? Its not to dissimilar to how F1 used to be either, where a small team could buy a year old chassis and go racing. I think from things I've read before, in the 65 years of F1 there have beennmore seasons where customer cars were allowed than not, so making your own chassis is not the core value of F1 some think it is.
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The small teams are run badly, it's as simple as that. The top teams have better funding from the guys who own the teams and from sponsors. It's no different to football, the smaller teams are spending more than they should in an attempt to do better, it's a gamble, but now they are all getting upset at the gamble they took and whining about it, it's pathetic frankly.
There are guys outside of F1 at one point and they go, hmm, I'd like to be in that, I know the big teams spend say $250-400mil a year, I know how much they get in sponsorship, I'm going to join and give them $100mil a year........ they either think they will magically make the rest up from sponsors, think they are the ones and will magically compete in the top 5 constructor spots and get a fairly large influx of cash that way or are stupid.
If you levelled out the constructors money everyone would be getting more like 50-60million, which is only about a 30mil loss for the big boys and a 30mil gain for the little guys. It won't make them dramatically more competitive. The big boys are winning not only because of money because by being successful over a longer period they can afford to buy up all the best talent. If RBR or Merc only spend $150mil extra instead of $200mil more, they will still afford all the best aero, engine, pit crew guys, that advantage won't change.
You have a budget, you stick to it, you end up financially safe. If you make a bad car, drop down the grid and lose 10-20mil you need to spend 20mil less, not just pretend it didn't happen and plough on hoping/assuming you'll get back up the grid next year and get that money back.
If Merc/RBR/Ferrari had a $300mil budget, but started spending $400mil, people would get fired, bosses of other divisions in those companies might decide to pull out because it's not paying off financially. Everyone sticks to a budget that makes sense, EXCEPT for the small guys who take gambles to succeed. Then when they fail they cry and whine about it.... give over.
In most sports, people try to enter it and do well, sometimes they fail, that is again part of sport. If you could enter F1 and the idea of failure isn't there, where is the competition. We need some level of team turnover and it will usually be the teams taking large risks which usually means spending more than they should to achieve something and missing their targets.... Toyota, it happens to big teams and big budgets as well, just less often.
I'll be glad to see the back of Caterham and Marussia and have no idea why anyone cares. They bought nothing to the sport, wasted time and money, time for other teams to get a shot. The worst teams in any sport should get a few years then get dropped and new teams tried, most sports have leagues with promotion/relegation to handle this, motorsport is a little different but if finances cause the least successful teams to drop out every few years that is GOOD for the sport.
There are guys outside of F1 at one point and they go, hmm, I'd like to be in that, I know the big teams spend say $250-400mil a year, I know how much they get in sponsorship, I'm going to join and give them $100mil a year........ they either think they will magically make the rest up from sponsors, think they are the ones and will magically compete in the top 5 constructor spots and get a fairly large influx of cash that way or are stupid.
If you levelled out the constructors money everyone would be getting more like 50-60million, which is only about a 30mil loss for the big boys and a 30mil gain for the little guys. It won't make them dramatically more competitive. The big boys are winning not only because of money because by being successful over a longer period they can afford to buy up all the best talent. If RBR or Merc only spend $150mil extra instead of $200mil more, they will still afford all the best aero, engine, pit crew guys, that advantage won't change.
You have a budget, you stick to it, you end up financially safe. If you make a bad car, drop down the grid and lose 10-20mil you need to spend 20mil less, not just pretend it didn't happen and plough on hoping/assuming you'll get back up the grid next year and get that money back.
If Merc/RBR/Ferrari had a $300mil budget, but started spending $400mil, people would get fired, bosses of other divisions in those companies might decide to pull out because it's not paying off financially. Everyone sticks to a budget that makes sense, EXCEPT for the small guys who take gambles to succeed. Then when they fail they cry and whine about it.... give over.
In most sports, people try to enter it and do well, sometimes they fail, that is again part of sport. If you could enter F1 and the idea of failure isn't there, where is the competition. We need some level of team turnover and it will usually be the teams taking large risks which usually means spending more than they should to achieve something and missing their targets.... Toyota, it happens to big teams and big budgets as well, just less often.
I'll be glad to see the back of Caterham and Marussia and have no idea why anyone cares. They bought nothing to the sport, wasted time and money, time for other teams to get a shot. The worst teams in any sport should get a few years then get dropped and new teams tried, most sports have leagues with promotion/relegation to handle this, motorsport is a little different but if finances cause the least successful teams to drop out every few years that is GOOD for the sport.
Got GP2 for that. A gradual cost cap, FOM dishing out a bit more cash and FIA not letting in joke teams and moving the goal posts sounds better to me. Going back to old tech V8s doesn't magically fix everything unfortunately.
And that's before you consider the enormous cost of bringing back V8s to the teams and engine makers, the loss of a number of engine makers, and the high probability of those engine makers suing F1 into oblivion.
A cost cap has been tried many times but a few of the teams said no. FOM will never give out more cash
as CVC are already in heavy debt. And as for joke teams all but Ferrari was so called joke teams years ago.
But the rules then catered for incoming teams and not just for the rich ones as it does now. It's time for F1 to die
and hopefully they will learn and something great will come out of the ashes.
In it's current model F1 can't go on. Viewing figures are down again, less people are going to the tracks to watch the race.
With out the supporters F1 will die. And those supporters are leaving by the million world wide every year.
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Why do people care about saving crap teams doing poorly? THe aim of sport and new entrants to F1 should be, improve, compete or leave, which is incidentally how this is panning out. Two crap teams of which one achieved their first point through reliability issues of others cars and NOT their own performance. They SHOULD be pushed out in this way. They aren't good enough and should be gotten rid of and new teams come in, if you bring in 3 new teams to any sport, F1 or the premier league 1 might succeed, 2 don't and get relegated or simply leave F1. It's good for the sport.
The idea that Marussia and Caterham should get an extra 10-20mil each of constructors money just to maintain them at their pointless under achieving level they've gotten to is both ridiculous and short sighted. If their budget is $100mil and they are aiming to move up a spot to get more sponsorship/constructors cash so they can bring in $150, then at some point after 2-3 years not making it they'll spend $150mil one year as a gamble to make it to the $150mil winnings level..... with a huge chance to fail 9 out of 10 times a team tries it they'll fail and end up in debt and screw themselves.
let new teams join every 3-4 years, if they come up with a brilliant driver line up, or a key concept on the car that others didn't, their own double diffuser moment, maybe they succeed, if not they fail, good. Then let other teams try.
The idea that Marussia and Caterham should get an extra 10-20mil each of constructors money just to maintain them at their pointless under achieving level they've gotten to is both ridiculous and short sighted. If their budget is $100mil and they are aiming to move up a spot to get more sponsorship/constructors cash so they can bring in $150, then at some point after 2-3 years not making it they'll spend $150mil one year as a gamble to make it to the $150mil winnings level..... with a huge chance to fail 9 out of 10 times a team tries it they'll fail and end up in debt and screw themselves.
let new teams join every 3-4 years, if they come up with a brilliant driver line up, or a key concept on the car that others didn't, their own double diffuser moment, maybe they succeed, if not they fail, good. Then let other teams try.
I think there's a more fundamental problem than that: when was the last time we saw a new team enter F1 and succeed? I don't mean a re-branded existing team but a genuine new entry?
I honestly can't think of one in recent times.
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Think that's the problem isn't it, I've got no problem with Caterham and Marussia going (bar the people losing their jobs obviously) they joined F1 with the expectation of a budget cap which never materialised and are as uncompetitive now as they were 4 years ago, they bring nothing to the sport other than trailing round at the back!
But who is going to replace these teams? All you hear about is dodgy consortiums like Stefan GP, Forza Rossa, Quantum who are all at best just going to be the next generation of entries on f1rejects.com or worst just plain don't actually have any money at all!
Hass F1 at least have a bit of a motorsport background but I'll believe it when I see it when they turn up in 2016.
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Stewart Grand Prix. Of course it itself was rebranded as Jaguar and then Red Bull, but not before they'd won a race. A well put-together operation it was too.
Toyota could have won a race too. They had a couple of opportunities, and did have a few poles if they count.
Red Bull is probably the closest, spawning from the Stewart GP team that was all new.
What brand new teams have we had recently beyond HRT, Lotus Racing and Virgin? Toyota were from scratch weren't they? They weren't bad, if you ignore the money they threw at it.
Edit: beaten! Lol.
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The problem is, that you enter F1, and it takes seasons to develop a car and a team.
The top teams get more and more money every year to develop faster and faster, the small teams at the back just fall further and further back.
There needs to be a mechanism to balance out finances so that new teams have a chance to develop.
The top teams get more and more money every year to develop faster and faster, the small teams at the back just fall further and further back.
There needs to be a mechanism to balance out finances so that new teams have a chance to develop.
As I have said before it's not just about replacing teams, it's replacing fans. Kids aren't interested in this over complicated ****. They don't want to calculate 100 factors to know whose the best and the fastest and even if they can figure that out the driver is less than 1% of the lap time. There's very few kids I have ever met that are even remotely interested in the sport.
I do wish it would hurry up to the scenario where the only teams left are the big 4 or so and then the big teams can watch it all implode and moan about it. Where they have done nothing but serve themselves and not look after the long term sport. F1 would would be very easy to fix but the teams at the top won't risk not being at the top and competing on a more level playing field. Not until the whole thing collapses.
I do wish it would hurry up to the scenario where the only teams left are the big 4 or so and then the big teams can watch it all implode and moan about it. Where they have done nothing but serve themselves and not look after the long term sport. F1 would would be very easy to fix but the teams at the top won't risk not being at the top and competing on a more level playing field. Not until the whole thing collapses.
Rubbish. Kids are interested in it, F1 is just terrible at promoting itself. I expect most people won't know F1 cars are hybrids. Hardly anyone will know that they are using 30% less fuel yet going faster.
And that's not just kids, it's all fans. It's not difficult to make the F1 technology exciting and interesting, they are just doing a **** poor job of it at the moment.
And that's not just kids, it's all fans. It's not difficult to make the F1 technology exciting and interesting, they are just doing a **** poor job of it at the moment.
The complete lack of interest in the internet and related technologies does no good to F1. But with old farts in charge, there's no surprise there.
How long did it take to get widescreen, HD, or even shock horror... Hashtags? They only discovered them in the last few races. To be fair, the F1 Live Timing app, now it's properly working, is extremely good. Bit late, but working. Still nowhere near having an official live stream.
How long did it take to get widescreen, HD, or even shock horror... Hashtags? They only discovered them in the last few races. To be fair, the F1 Live Timing app, now it's properly working, is extremely good. Bit late, but working. Still nowhere near having an official live stream.