Wheel Chair vs Pushchairs
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I can't remember what country it's in, maybe someone else knows but I read an article somwhere that in said country, different buses run at different times of day and areas. Buses near schools and creches have much more space for push chairs, and these are also used much more around 9am when schools begin, and 3pm when the schools finish.
Between 6am and 8:30 am (don't know exact times, just guessing here) the buses are more focussed towards commuters going to work, ie. lots of seats and standing space.
Between 6am and 8:30 am (don't know exact times, just guessing here) the buses are more focussed towards commuters going to work, ie. lots of seats and standing space.
Which bus company is that?
If this is confirmed, then companies should follow such approach as it's the best way to solve this issue - especially when it's not a frequent event that 2 disabled / pushchair users needs space.
Believe it or not not everyone lives a perfect life. Sometimes peopel who already have kids hit rough times.
Sometimes people babysit. Sometimes people adopt kids that would otherwise go into care homes.
It's not black and white dude, get a grip.
I was down in Bristol a couple of weeks ago, and the x39 (First Bus) to Bath had a similar layout - a row of 3 folding seats on either side at the front, which could be used for sitting normally, or folded up to allow 2 wheelchairs/pushchairs.
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Having used Kyoto/tokyo bus/train/trams a lot recently the average British bus has more space pushchairs/wheelchairs. Plenty of seats for the elderly but I don't think I saw one sace in my japan travels for prushchairs/wheelchairs on public transport. Then again not needing ether I wasn't looking for them
Neither, both are a waste of space. Their users should be euthanased as they buy a ticket. Would save a fortune in benefits and handouts.
If you cant afford an Audi A4 or BMW 3 series you shouldn't be a part of society.
If you cant afford an Audi A4 or BMW 3 series you shouldn't be a part of society.
This post makes absolutely no sense. Bravo.
Indeed. I am not making a value judgement either. I love kids, and am glad that my parents had kids otherwise I would not have been born. I also have the greatest of respect for disabled/less-abled people. They are heroes.
As has been said before in the thread, the biggest issue is lack of provision for both sets of needs.
I would imagine there are a lot of countries which don't have the same provision for disabled people that we do in the UK. Does that mean we shouldn't try to improve it further?
The question is how does the Driver force the person to comply when they have paid their fare and are occupying a dual purpose space?
DDA means that a disabled person should not be treated differently due to their disability, currently low floor buses are not strictly a legal requirement until 2017 and if a bus has reached its capacity then legally you cannot take the wheelchair, equally if a wheelchair is occupying the space then the capacity is reduced so others(both wheelchairs and able bodied pax are left if it is a busy trip etc...so it does currently operate on a first come basis which is why legal clarification is necessary and why First (and other operators) are appealing this to the high court.
If anything the person at fault here was the woman refusing the request to fold her pushchair to enable the wheelchair user onto the bus. To answer a question posed above, if the bus already has a wheelchair then that is it, a bus cannot take two wheelchairs unless there is a specific place for it.
DDA means that a disabled person should not be treated differently due to their disability, currently low floor buses are not strictly a legal requirement until 2017 and if a bus has reached its capacity then legally you cannot take the wheelchair, equally if a wheelchair is occupying the space then the capacity is reduced so others(both wheelchairs and able bodied pax are left if it is a busy trip etc...so it does currently operate on a first come basis which is why legal clarification is necessary and why First (and other operators) are appealing this to the high court.
If anything the person at fault here was the woman refusing the request to fold her pushchair to enable the wheelchair user onto the bus. To answer a question posed above, if the bus already has a wheelchair then that is it, a bus cannot take two wheelchairs unless there is a specific place for it.
Surely who ever there is first gets it first or do we have to positively discriminate further ? Every London bus has space for at least 2 P chairs or one raspberry ripple.
Its usually unreasonable purchair users that think they rule the world and dont have to fold the damn thing up.
Its usually unreasonable purchair users that think they rule the world and dont have to fold the damn thing up.
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Disabled people should have priority. Push chairs can and should be folded up if a disabled person needs the spot. It's that simple.
Personally I'd expect the driver to intervene and help fold up the push chair. If they mother refuses, she should be ejected from the bus.
Personally I'd expect the driver to intervene and help fold up the push chair. If they mother refuses, she should be ejected from the bus.
And here is the problem. There appears to be so many parents that have this "God given right" attitude. You made a lifestyle choice. If you couldn't afford to do it then don't do it.
Unfortunately with the amount of money government throw at parents it's understandable why so many seem to ignore the fact that children are expensive (and environmentally damaging).
There is legislation in place which means they have to provide a minimum provision for wheelchair users, there is no such legislation for pushchairs and thus they are discretionary and available to use when no wheelchair user is present. As soon as that situation changed then the driver should have enforced the rule and told her to move.
Wheelchair user absolutely takes precedent over pushchair but the wider question is about the suitability of our public transport in the context of an environment that is more accessible to people of varying needs and abilities. What if this man was going to work or a hospital appointment, should he have been forced to miss or be late?
Wheelchair user absolutely takes precedent over pushchair but the wider question is about the suitability of our public transport in the context of an environment that is more accessible to people of varying needs and abilities. What if this man was going to work or a hospital appointment, should he have been forced to miss or be late?
Lady with the push chair should do everything she can to make room for the wheelchair. If nothing can be done then I wouldn't expect her to get off the bus. As someone else said, if the bus is completely packed should 8 or so people get off to let the wheelchair user on the bus?
And if the bus is full to capacity and wheelchair user needs to get on, should the non-disabled people standing in the wheelchair area be "ejected" from the bus to make space for them?
People's circumstances change
What is the point you are making with this rant?