Big Swing in Market Share From AMD to NVIDIA: JPR

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 16 Nov 2014 at 12:41

jh30uk said:
What exactly does that mean?

Before the main benchmark runs they will run something else(like 3DMark or part of a game) to heat the card up,ie,not benchmark from cold.

Even PCPER and TH actually said they had to do it to get consistent results.

jh30uk · 16 Nov 2014 at 12:44

I kind of guessed that but by time you boot a PC up cold and run a few benches its at its temp and will not change from that if ambient room stays the same.

My PC is on all day for 18+ hours so not cold and I would run a bench a few times to test stability.

Rusty0611 · 16 Nov 2014 at 12:54

Nexus18 said:
Emmm have you seen your posts on here and especially on MLG when it comes to GPU brands......

You always try to make it out like you aren't bias to nvidia etc. but it really is pretty obvious to anyone who isn't a "nvidia fanboy", even in your bf 4 video review when you brought mantle up, you can tell in your voice and the way you said it that you just simply aren't a fan of anything AMD related, "apparently mantle runs soooooooo much better than DX 11.........well yeah, I'll believe when I see it"

Only trying to fool yourself.

TBH, it says it all when you have a website dedicated to your titans......

Greg doesn't hide the fact he's nVidia bias? People can have brand preferences if they wish - I'm not really sure what your point as because everything you've said there isn't really anything to do with what Greg was saying regards the hypocrisy. He didn't say he wasn't a nVidia fan - he was more taking issue with your supposed hypocrisy. I've not read the thread in detail so I don't have a view on the point he was making but if you're going to write a load of stuff to somebody at least make sure it's actually countering the point he's making

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ChrisD. · 16 Nov 2014 at 12:55

This pathetic AMD vs Nvidia and a bit of Mantle arguing going on again?

It's cringe-worthy, and makes me not want to read the graphics section.

Some people need to grow up.

Ian Evey · 16 Nov 2014 at 12:56

Nexus18 said:
Blame Ian Evey

Post 47 is yours, Don't pass the blame as it was you who mentioned it.

Minstadave · 16 Nov 2014 at 13:00

S2KIP said:
This pathetic AMD vs Nvidia and a bit of Mantle arguing going on again?

It's cringe-worthy, and makes me not want to read the graphics section.

Some people need to grow up.

It's not stopped on the 10 years I've been on here.

I don't get why people feel so strongly about it. I don't sit checking Nikes financial info so I can wind up the Addidas fan bois.

nashathedog · 16 Nov 2014 at 13:10

triss said:
TBH i dont care if the next gen cards are 20nm or 28nm aslong as its a reasonable performance boost at a reasonable cost

+1

I don't care who I buy from either, As long as it's not poker hot I'll be happy.

Gregster · 16 Nov 2014 at 13:26

Nexus18 said:
^^

Doesn't surprise me!

And yup, I always just ignore his posts but felt like responding to that one

Emmm have you seen your posts on here and especially on MLG when it comes to GPU brands......

You always try to make it out like you aren't bias to nvidia etc. but it really is pretty obvious to anyone who isn't a "nvidia fanboy", even in your bf 4 video review when you brought mantle up, you can tell in your voice and the way you said it that you just simply aren't a fan of anything AMD related, "apparently mantle runs soooooooo much better than DX 11.........well yeah, I'll believe when I see it"

Only trying to fool yourself.

TBH, it says it all when you have a website dedicated to your titans......

When have I ever tried to make out I am not biased to nVidia? I never hide that fact. As for my site, that was something I knocked up for a bit of experience and it is pretty crap but glad you viewed it and as for MLG, I am glad you have given it a visit and hope you liked it. To me, gaming is my relaxing time (except raging in BF4 isn't very relaxing) and I never get to a point that a GPU preference would make me jump on people. Some people are far too serious over what brand of GPU they prefer and get themselves worked up.... The youngsters I chatted with didn't show any of the same passion about brand preference either and only expressed their good and bad points.

Should I have kept those thoughts to myself? Should I walk on egg shells in case I upset someone? I would have had no problem saying that nVidia have issues if the people I talked with gave that feedback but then I suppose I would have had the nVidia fans on my case instead....

Oh well, first world problems at its finest.

Ayahuasca · 16 Nov 2014 at 13:49

I think both sides have issues to be honest and neither is that bad it's just people will only speak about bad experiences and rarely make a thread saying my card is working fine. They wouldn't be in the market at all if issues were that common.

Nexus18 · 16 Nov 2014 at 13:53

Not going to derail the thread any more as we have all made our points so we will just end up going around in circles again.

All I will say is that my point wasn't so much about Greg being a nvidia fan, as said, he obviously has made that well clear and even admitted it himself (as said, there is no harm in preferring a brand over another), my point was more about him always trying to make it out like he is "civil" when it comes to AMD/nvidia discussion.

Ian Evey said:
Post 47 is yours, Don't pass the blame as it was you who mentioned it.

I only mentioned it to make a point about Greg, your post was 100% about mantle. I didn't mention any thing about mantle being crap/good.

Gregster · 16 Nov 2014 at 14:07

Nexus18 said:
Not going to derail the thread any more as we have all made our points so we will just end up going around in circles again.

All I will say is that my point wasn't so much about Greg being a nvidia fan, as said, he obviously has made that well clear and even admitted it himself (as said, there is no harm in preferring a brand over another), my point was more about him always trying to make it out like he is "civil" when it comes to AMD/nvidia discussion.

Not sure why you would think I am not civil. I have been bashing nVidia recently for rubbish scaling and smoothness problems in SLI but because I am not sucking up to AMD and not putting them in the same light as you do, that makes me uncivil?

Ian Evey · 16 Nov 2014 at 14:21

Nexus18 said:
Not going to derail the thread any more as we have all made our points so we will just end up going around in circles again.

All I will say is that my point wasn't so much about Greg being a nvidia fan, as said, he obviously has made that well clear and even admitted it himself (as said, there is no harm in preferring a brand over another), my point was more about him always trying to make it out like he is "civil" when it comes to AMD/nvidia discussion.

I only mentioned it to make a point about Greg, your post was 100% about mantle. I didn't mention any thing about mantle being crap/good.

My post was 100% to do with nvidia and dx11 being great, not amd and mantle being good/crap. So lets leave it there shall we.

On to the topic at hand, i am not surprised by nvidia gaining share and it will be even bigger in Q4 2014 when the maxwell cards are taken into account.

Kaapstad · 16 Nov 2014 at 14:24

I think in 9 months time there will be another thread just like this one but the title will be reversed.

Big Swing in Market Share From NVIDIA to AMD: JPR

The reason for this is Maxwell in the form of the 970 and 980, what has happened is these cards have knocked the two companies out of step with each other. This will mean that AMD in 6 months or so will launch a very fast top end card that will beat the 980 with ease. This could leave NVidia wrong footed as they may not have the right product at the right price to counter this. Some people would say what about the Maxwell Titan, forget it. Yes it will be very fast but it will also be very expensive which rules it out as a serious contender (I can hear it now, you can buy 3 x 390Ps for the cost of a Titan).

Hopefully the 2 companies will stay out of step with each other as this will force them to innovate and we may finally get away from 28nm for good.

MichaelM · 16 Nov 2014 at 14:27

VincentHanna said:
Wow. You'd think Nvidia had just released some new GPU's or something....

The only comment worth it's bandwidth goes ignored so the fighting can continue.

Kaapstad · 16 Nov 2014 at 14:28

Gregster said:
Not sure why you would think I am not civil. I have been bashing nVidia recently for rubbish scaling and smoothness problems in SLI but because I am not sucking up to AMD and not putting them in the same light as you do, that makes me uncivil?

Getting a bit worried about NVidia and where they are going myself, I went to play a game on my 980s the other day and was given the option of using Mantle. I decided not to try it as I suspect that it may have been even worse than on my AMD cards. :eek:

TheRealDeal · 16 Nov 2014 at 14:36

Kaapstad said:
I think in 9 months time there will be another thread just like this one but the title will be reversed.

Big Swing in Market Share From NVIDIA to AMD: JPR

The reason for this is Maxwell in the form of the 970 and 980, what has happened is these cards have knocked the two companies out of step with each other. This will mean that AMD in 6 months or so will launch a very fast top end card that will beat the 980 with ease. This could leave NVidia wrong footed as they may not have the right product at the right price to counter this. Some people would say what about the Maxwell Titan, forget it. Yes it will be very fast but it will also be very expensive which rules it out as a serious contender (I can hear it now, you can buy 3 x 390Ps for the cost of a Titan).

Hopefully the 2 companies will stay out of step with each other as this will force them to innovate and we may finally get away from 28nm for good.

I can't see it Kaap. AMD make really good products with the added benefit of being cheaper yet still can't compete with Nvidia. They need to do something radical if possible.

Kaapstad · 16 Nov 2014 at 14:53

TheRealDeal said:
I can't see it Kaap. AMD make really good products with the added benefit of being cheaper yet still can't compete with Nvidia. They need to do something radical if possible.

I think in about 9 months time if you are in the market for a top end card you could have 4 options all with performance within 5% to 10% of each other.

R9 390P @ £350

R9 390X @ £450

Big Maxwell Ti @ £500

Big Maxwell Titan @ £850

The AMD cards could even be a little bit faster than Big Maxwell as they will have had more time to work on them. NVidia may even throw a cut down Maxwell Ti into the works (780 counterpart) but the performance will not be there.

AMD already know where to aim their products and that includes big Maxwell, NVidia don't.

Orangey · 16 Nov 2014 at 15:07

Greg in making up rubbish shocker! I spent the day at a pigeon fancier's convention and every single person I talked with, over 100, preferred AMD for modelling flight patterns. All the people who had problems it was coz of Nvidya.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18637121

TheRealDeal · 16 Nov 2014 at 15:10

Kaapstad said:
I think in about 9 months time if you are in the market for a top end card you could have 4 options all with performance within 5% to 10% of each other.

R9 390P @ £350

R9 390X @ £450

Big Maxwell Ti @ £500

Big Maxwell Titan @ £850

The AMD cards could even be a little bit faster than Big Maxwell as they will have had more time to work on them. NVidia may even throw a cut down Maxwell Ti into the works (780 counterpart) but the performance will not be there.

AMD already know where to aim their products and that includes big Maxwell, NVidia don't.

AMD need something really good for sure. GCN has good potential but so does Maxwell. The gtx980 is not impressive performance wise but technically it is really impressive on 28nm so i feel AMD have a big fight on there hands to stay in the game.

Orangey said:
Greg in making up rubbish shocker! I spent the day at a pigeon fancier's convention and every single person I talked with, over 100, preferred AMD for modelling flight patterns. All the people who had problems it was coz of Nvidya.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18637121

Excellent am sure those Pigeon's will get home sooner than later using AMD Gpu's.

Kaapstad · 16 Nov 2014 at 15:16

TheRealDeal said:
AMD need something really good for sure. GCN has good potential but so does Maxwell. The gtx980 is not impressive performance wise but technically it is really impressive on 28nm so i feel AMD have a big fight on there hands to stay in the game.

The thing about big Maxwell is even if AMD have not got a working example I think their scientists are more than capable of pulling a few GTX 970 and 980s apart to work out what the architecture is capable of when scaled up. This gives them the advantage of knowing where to target their next range of products including a likely Maxwell Ti beater. The down side is it is going to take some time.