All PC Gamers Are Pirates Says Ubisoft Executive

Heisenberg said:
Exactly, and the point I made was that in no way, would they be so heavily discounted that the dev wouldn't be making a profit. However you look t it, piracy is illegal, selling or buying a game code isn't.
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Profit isn't really the right word to use. If you think about it realistically. These keys aren't meant as a substitute to actually buying games on the whole.

But you don't actually understand what I'm getting at, so I'll just leave it.
 
satchef1 said:
While factually correct, your point is a poor one. Fundamentally, piracy is a crime, but that doesn't mean there isn't a deeper debate as to the various reasons behind it. People pirate for a plethora of reasons. The fastest and most effective way to get people to stop pirating is to look at the individual's reasons for doing it and attempting to address them. Reminding people that it's illegal has precisely zero positive effect.
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There is no fundamentally about it, I'm not making a point, it is illegal. If you download licensed material you are breaking the law.

You can go into a deeper debate as much as you like, if you don't like the current LAWS then you could lobby your local MP or the industry not that it will do you much good :D

Don't like what a company does vote with your wallet and don't buy their product (which your already doing) But trying to reason a pirate is not a thief and that they have some sort of right to "demo" someone's digital property is laughable.
 
Martini1991 said:
Their deal with Nvidia won't be anywhere near the RRP of the game.

You're reading my posts, and seemingly making crazy links and coming to crazy conclusions. None of which I've actually said.
If I had to comment on who's coming across well, you certainly wouldn't be a candidate :p
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Enlighten me, what crazy links have I made? Did you or did you not say that buying a game code is worse than pirating a game?
 
Appologies if I have missed something...

How do we know Nvidia pay anything at all for these games?

Could it not be a joint marketing campaign to help sales of the cards and raise awareness of a game?
 
Gimpymoo said:
Appologies if I have missed something...

How do we know Nvidia pay anything at all for these games?

Could it not be a joint marketing campaign to help sales of the cards and raise awareness of a game?
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We don't really know, all we can be blindingly aware of is that it's no where near the RRP of the game if they are indeed paying for the keys.

But it's very obvious these keys aren't meant as substitutes to buying games on the whole.
 
Gimpymoo said:
Appologies if I have missed something...

How do we know Nvidia pay anything at all for these games?

Could it not be a joint marketing campaign to help sales of the cards and raise awareness of a game?
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Sure, ubi have gave a huge bundle of there holiday release games to nvidia as a gesture of good will. Really?? Do some people really not understand how businesses are run?
 
Patience, an hour and basic knowledge of how to use Google is all you need to not get caught out by a buggy, unfinished and short pile of dump. The whole concept of pre-ordering is ridiculous to me these days, I walked into Tesco on release day and picked up FIFA 15 when it was released for less than most online sites had it for at pre-order. Most games have reviews out a day or two before hand and there will be reviews out there that point out bugs, how it compares to E3 demos and the length of the game, even if it isn't one of the big two or three. So using that to justify pirating a game is hilarious, and quite frankly embarrassing. If it's a crap game don't buy it, and don't play it. If you want to play it wait for it to be £3.74 in a Steam sale a year later or pay the asking price at the time, don't say I'll download it now and pay later.
 
satchef1 said:
I'm all for cracking down on piracy, but consumers need more protections in exchange. At present, games companies seem to be able to do whatever they please. They can 'enhance' trailers and pre-release gameplay demonstrations, manipulate the gaming press and release unfinished, broken products on to the marketplace. The end result is consumers getting products that fall way short of expectations with no possibility of obtaining a refund. This is happening so often now that it's difficult to not see it as a deliberate attempt to con customers. It's an abuse of the trust laid upon the industry through their Consumer Contracts Regulations exemption.
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Even cynical old me got sucked in by that Watchdog trailer last year.

And then to see the finished product was altered (in a bad way) so much, almost beggared belief.
 
With Watchdogs, I remember trying it out, played it for half an hour or something. Decided it wasn't for me as it was (As the PC version was terribly buggy, but the game for the most part was a solid 7/10)

Got it for the PS4 for 20 quid at Grainger Games last month. Finished and decided it was a 6.5/10, but meh.

I wouldn't have bought Watchdogs when I did if I hadn't tried it.

Although my version of trying it out was through my brothers copy, as for whatever reason he actually bought it from Uplay (Although some dodgy key), but point remains. Trying it out in this capacity was a one off.
 
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Bigbud said:
There is no fundamentally about it, I'm not making a point, it is illegal. If you download licensed material you are breaking the law.

You can go into a deeper debate as much as you like, if you don't like the current LAWS then you could lobby your local MP or the industry not that it will do you much good :D

Don't like what a company does vote with your wallet and don't buy their product (which your already doing) But trying to reason a pirate is not a thief and that they have some sort of right to "demo" someone's digital property is laughable.
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I think you're in your own little debate here, as I don't recall anyone arguing that 'demoing' a game isn't breaching copyright law. People are well aware that they are breaking the law, they simply don't care. It's a bit like telling a drug addict that his narcotic of choice is illegal and expecting that single statement to put him off the substance for life. It's dumb. It won't work because the people you are preaching to don't care.
 
Like underage drinking.

Hand on heart, I don't know anyone who hasn't broken copyright law. Most of them will be unaware they have.

It's so easy to infringe.
 
Kelt said:
Even cynical old me got sucked in by that Watchdog trailer last year.

And then to see the finished product was altered (in a bad way) so much, almost beggared belief.
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Total War: Rome II was the one that did it for me. Words fail to describe how underwhelming that game was compared to all of the pre-release footage, preview features and massive 4K screenshots of epic battlefields. Not only was it broken, but they'd scaled back massively in terms of graphics and the scale of battles. Basically, the game they advertised wasn't the game they delivered. I haven't pre-ordered a game since.
 
Heisenberg said:
I don't have a clue and you think it's plausible that ubi have gave away game codes for free? I hope you don't run your own business.
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Gimpymoo said:
Appologies if I have missed something...

How do we know Nvidia pay anything at all for these games?

Could it not be a joint marketing campaign to help sales of the cards and raise awareness of a game?
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Where do I stipulate that Ubisoft give them away for free?

In the world of business (Which you admitted to knowing NOTHING about), an assets worth can be many things, not just monetary.
 
Piracy happens, we've all done it in some shape or form but you cannot justify it.

You are not forced to buy any game, regardless of it's worth or state. The lesson, which I would have thought was more a mandatory stance, is to wait for the game to be released then using your trusted methods of obtaining information gauge whether or not it is worth buying.
 
eekfek said:
Piracy happens, we've all done it in some shape or form but you cannot justify it.

You are not forced to buy any game, regardless of it's worth or state. The lesson, which I would have thought was more a mandatory stance, is to wait for the game to be released then using your trusted methods of obtaining information gauge whether or not it is worth buying.
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That's silly though, what one group of people like won't be the same as what someone else likes. the only way to know if you like a game, movie, music album etc etc is to experience it first hand. If there's no demo or trial period then piracy is the easy option some will always take.
 
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