A "Poisonuos Crime"

wordy said:
No problem with them being punished. It's the fact the law isn't applied in equal measure to everyone that gets me. Emdadur Choudhury being fined £50 for burning poppies on Rememberance Sunday for example.
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This is a very good point.
I also think that we as a society need to look at the whole prison/community service/fines punishment issue.
I'm not convinced by community service, from what I see getting driven around in a minibus picking up a few bits of litter then taken to a burger van for breakfast isn't really hard work or a deterrent. Maybe what I've seen isn't reflective of normal practice.
I think we need to find something that is considered punishment without necessarily being sent to prison.
 
HaX said:
Ridiculous,

Around 10 years ago, my local art gallery hosted a contemporary exhibition by an African "Artist" which revolved around visitors being invited to kick bibles around a room.
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Geez i read that as babies the first time round! :eek:
 
OldCoals said:
Should we really be sending people to prison for being offensive?
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You make it sound as if they were a bunch of otherwise decent chaps just having a bit of offensive banter like most people do everyday.

Hatching and carrying out a plan to be especially offensive to a specifically targeted group or person(s) in private property is not just "being offensive".

There are many victimless things which are deemed criminal merely so the police can keep their numbers up and appear like they're doing a lot of hard work between mishandling all the serious cases like rape and murder, these crimes should be given more priority.

Prior to this incident, what was stopping EDL fanatics from throwing pigs at a bunch of Muslims? This group had an idea that it won't have consequences, right? Well imagine they got away with a slap on the wrist, the rate of these 'pig attacks' would only increase due to media exposure.

Unfortunately for these lads, justice isn't only for them, it's for the deterring of others too.
 
They should have been punished even if it was absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Imagine somebody chucked a pigs head into your garden as a 'prank' - that sort of thing isn't acceptable either.

It's just not something that is ever acceptable in society so it's correct that those who do it are punished to send out the message that it's not something we do.
 
Way over the top punishment. Its a knee jerk reaction so as to look like they are coming down hard on it. Meanwhile poppy burners and threats to behead go relatively unpunished (50 quid fine is NOT a punishment)
 
[TW]Fox;27232086 said:
They should have been punished even if it was absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Imagine somebody chucked a pigs head into your garden as a 'prank' - that sort of thing isn't acceptable either.

It's just not something that is ever acceptable in society so it's correct that those who do it are punished to send out the message that it's not something we do.
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I don't think anyone would dispute that, but the question is, is the punishment appropriate for the level of the crime committed in this case?

Do you think it warranted a custodial sentence?

Personally I don't, I think a community sentence order would have been more appropriate.
 
I also think a community sentence order with the affected community would have been far more in line with rehabilitation and a sensible option.

I also agree that whatever the sentence, it should be applied equally for issues where the line of free speech has been crossed and things become offensive. Threats of violence should be considered a step up from this as well as I consider this different that offending someone's beliefs no matter what they may be
 
I don't understand how a member of the Religion of permanent offence who's followers can happily saw peoples heads off with blunt knives, cut limbs off for minor crimes, stone women to death and whip children in its name are all suddenly outraged and disgusted by a piece of meat. Lolreligion.
 
doofer said:
I don't understand how a member of the Religion of permanent offence who's followers can happily saw peoples heads off with blunt knives, cut limbs off for minor crimes, stone women to death and whip children in its name are all suddenly outraged and disgusted by a piece of meat. Lolreligion.
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That's not comparable and you know it :p

It is heavy, but an understandable sentence.
 
doofer said:
I don't understand how a member of the Religion of permanent offence who's followers can happily saw peoples heads off with blunt knives, cut limbs off for minor crimes, stone women to death and whip children in its name are all suddenly outraged and disgusted by a piece of meat. Lolreligion.
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Not sure if you're serious :confused:
 
Actually this peeked my interest about what's so bad about porky pig. Pretty much the first link (and I have no idea how true this is) pointed out that basically it is because a pretty old book says its just bad.

http://www.whyislam.org/faqs/restrictions-in-islam/why-do-muslims-abstain-from-pork/

Apparently there is another popular work that also says the same thing (I am ashamed I didn't know this even though I am mid way through they typical christian-atheist-oops, i'm getting on a bit, better be a believer again lifestyle)

Unfortunately none of them really explain why but my personal interpretation is that these two deities where pretty good food hygienist for the age and had significant experience that it could make you pretty ill. I also believe that had they issued a current edition of either book, they could have updated their studies and concluded that the health risks were no longer a real concern and everything is now ok.

Quite why it is possible to get so offended by advice on food hygiene is beyond me. Even if I were to make you wear a nice pig skin coat, no one is asking you to eat it so where is the problem?

If I am wrong with my interpretation here I would welcome correction so I fully understand this as I am genuinely interested
 
pitchfork said:
Make an example of intolerant pieces of scum, as far as I'm concered if people started throwing Richard Dawkins books into churches it should be the same.

If you're intentionally persecuting an innocent group of individuals then an example need be made.

I say that as an atheist.
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Agreed.

[TW]Fox;27232086 said:
They should have been punished even if it was absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Imagine somebody chucked a pigs head into your garden as a 'prank' - that sort of thing isn't acceptable either.

It's just not something that is ever acceptable in society so it's correct that those who do it are punished to send out the message that it's not something we do.
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Well said.

p1RATE said:
Where does some one get a pigs head in the first place? :/
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Er... Any butcher? It's not exactly hard or strange.
 
Are those addresses real? Doesn't take much detective work now to track down which house they live in and for someone to retaliate. :eek:

As for the sentencing yes it is deserved.
 
Actually some of the google results for "muslims and pigs" and information from what appear to be muslim websites are hilarious

Sorry: I am way off topic and will leave it there
 
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