EU court blocks gay asylum tests

sounds like a tough one since if someone wants asylum that much, how do you test if they are truly gay,

i mean cmon if your in fear of your life and say to the host country that your gay just to get away from stuff i think most would kiss a guy or something if it meant they get in a safe country.

just wtf.


is there gonna be a hairy beast of a man sitting there in front of assesors and if they kiss him they get in the country????? wtf or do they start licking a brown hole or something lol just wtf

makes no sense to me its pretty unenforcable imo....
 
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Tefal said:
And what result determines what?


As anything but murder just proves there a slightly fat middle aged woman with body image issues
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the ones that get pregnant only dress as men and have latent homo tendancies.... wtf whole thing makes 0 sense to me lol
 
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I agree that testing makes sense but I fail to think of any possible accurate test beyond asking a few questions about prior relationships, sexual encounters.
 
D.P. said:
I agree that testing makes sense but I fail to think of any possible accurate test beyond asking a few questions about prior relationships, sexual encounters.
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seems impossible lol

edit : now bend over sir the hairy big bubba in the room will now begin to test your tendancies.....
 
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PPG along with gay porn should help give some indication.

At the end of they day if being gay is not accepted in their country I do not see why it's our problem. They should just hide it.

There was a case a few years ago of a guy who made a video of him slef having gay sax as proof. I know people abuse the system as I have met a few guys in czech who got in this way.
 
Diddums said:
Speak slowly Tefal, use your words :D

What I meant was, if all these immigrants can put up with Gok Wan for a few hours, they must be gay. Otherwise.... actually, he'll be dead after the first straight dude.

We're going to need more Gok Wans!
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what im saying is even gay men hate him (so do lesbians) the only people who can stand him are fat middle aged women.
 
Moses said:
I suppose you could maybe do something with brain scanning with pornographic stimuli, given it'd be less invasive than a phallometric test... but I'm not convinced that'd be accurate given the stressful circumstances it'd be administered under, again.
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It's fairly unlikely to be accurate but not just for the reason that you've suggested. If you think of sexuality as a spectrum then there's likely to be a number of people who identify as heterosexual who are aroused to greater or lesser extents by pornography that is stereotypically gay - that doesn't make it a good test as to whether someone is homosexual or not.

Then you've got the issue that not everyone shares the same sexual preferences, some people like this physical characteristic while others like that physical characteristic, some prefer X personality trait in their partners, some prefer Y personality trait etc etc. It's not that there won't often be some overlap in what arouses people but as a test for "proving" someone is homosexual it's flawed.

Dr House said:
PPG along with gay porn should help give some indication.
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I'm not sure what PPG is in this context but I'm far from convinced in the general principle as per the above. It's a big assumption to believe that all people respond to the same stimuli, particularly in something as convoluted as sexual preferences.

Dr House said:
At the end of they day if being gay is not accepted in their country I do not see why it's our problem. They should just hide it.
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Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your point of view) we've signed up to conventions on human rights and the right to liberty and security, freedom from discrimination and private and family life. If we're going to claim any moral authority in the world then we've got to be prepared to back it up. What if you had to hide your sexual orientation - how would you feel about that?

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There was a case a few years ago of a guy who made a video of him slef having gay sax as proof. I know people abuse the system as I have met a few guys in czech who got in this way.
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So even that system which manages to be humiliating and demeaning is subject to abuse.
 
Mr Badger said:
Anyway, why don't they just use the established German test:

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I can confirm that based on that test I am not gay.
 
A huge butt plug up the rear. :eek:

If they squeal they are not a gayer.

Better still, they must stop at the nearest safe country to claim asylum, so should never reach the UK. :rolleyes:
 
ITT : People get bent out of shape over the prospect of a system intended to protect the vulnerable getting abused & therefore support the outright removal of it.

(this applies to multiple subjects)

In my view a homosexual in a nation which either persecutes or executes for the 'crime' should be welcomed. We can't claim to hold liberty, democracy & freedom for all as global values (which we will gladly invade, bomb or sanction other nations over) then turn our backs on individuals.

Yes, a number may abuse it - but really?, is that worth closing the door to those genuinely in need?. There is no system of testing which is reliably accurate or doesn't amount to a form of abuse or humiliation.
 
scorza said:
What? The European Court of Justice rules against the UK. I simply don't believe it :rolleyes:
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Correct you shouldn't believe it

Three men, including a Ugandan and one from a Muslim country, failed in their bids for asylum when a Dutch court said they had not proved their sexuality.
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From a browse of the judgment it's basically saying that you can't use arbitrary questions based on stereotypical homosexual behaviour or submissions of homosexual acts to determine whether someone was persecuted on the basis of their sexuality to the extent of claiming asylum.

Seems reasonable to me really in the same way that when applying for a marriage visa you aren't asked to roger your wife on the clerk's desk, provide a home-made porn movie or asked to detail how your wife likes her nipples pinched in order to prove the marriage is 'genuine'
 
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