Grand Jury clears NYPD Cop - Eric Garner case

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So Police Officier puts Eric Garner in a chokehold (for allegedly selling bootleg cigarettes, which incidentally they didn't find); which is banned by NYPD policy. Garner pleas with officers that he cannot breathe. Garner subsequently dies from "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police". The whole thing is caught on camera, including the audio of both the officer and the 'suspect'. The officer clearly has the guy in a chokehold. The Grand Jury clears the officer of any criminal wrongdoing.

I am literally doing a WTF at the moment. Even Obama's response to the incident I was sat in front of the TV shaking my head. I can reason with the Ferguson decision, the evidence was shaky at best. But this?? Shocked doesn't even come close.
 
Yet a Coroner decided he had been murdered.

Lets be clear here, he did not die because he was choked, he died from a heart attack of which the choke hold was a contributory factor.
 
Michael Brown......I get that.

However this one I am struggling with. The choke hold is banned. The police officer performed a choke hold? The choke hold contributed to other factors that led to his death. Shouldn't the officer be facing some type of discipline? Or will they do something similar to Dharles de Menezes and say some health and safety codes were broken?
 
Its just wrong, selling illegal fags shouldnt end with some guy being jumped on by 4/5 coppers unless the guys reaction warrants it..
 
Police unions have denied that Pantaleo used a chokehold.
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the_chicco said:
And there should be riots as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely bull*hit. He died from a heart attack due to him being choked. End of.
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No, there should not be riots, a certain demographic acting in a stereotypical way won't help them.

As I understand it there is a further investigation taking place, the law should prevail, not violence.
 
Oh they're quite right to riot it's just I don't want to have to put up with the news coverage for the next month in fact I'd rather any news was covered the day it happens then move on I don't need to know god knows how many days after it's passed.
 
Americans must see this in the news every day, just shut up and don't move because you are dealing with a mental cop pointing a gun at your face.

Not saying it is right, but every time the kid is shot it is because he either moved or attempted to protest.
 
Yep, disgusting out come.
Illegal hold as described in NYC police documents.
Coroner said he was killed by a choke hold.
And it's on film.

Open and shut case or should have been. On top of that he says he's struggling to breath etc.
 
OldCoals said:
No, there should not be riots, a certain demographic acting in a stereotypical way won't help them.

As I understand it there is a further investigation taking place, the law should prevail, not violence.
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If attention in the form of protests hadn't been brought to bear on this case, what chance do you think there would be of justice being served (given that the evidence seems fairly clear cut)? There's a review taking place, and it's likely only because of the outcry and against the backdrop of Ferguson that's it's happening at all.
 
the_chicco said:
Oh its you (added to ignore list), why doesn't that surprise me. A certain demographic in a stereotypical way. Oh those pesky black people standing up against clear police brutality would that be? I'm a white guy and I find this shocking. As does every other demography that I am friends with.

The law is not fit for purpose clearly. Otherwise he would be indicted.
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The decision was disgusting, but being America not surprising. On another note, how does stealing TV's and terrorising innocent people during a riot help in this case?
 
The Brown case has (more so in the UK) got so much more coverage and outrage with the only reason I can think of being that the media chose to do so. This has absolute proof of wrongdoing yet the media seem almost uninterested. As a story it's cut and dry with no drama associated to uncovering the facts or the random BS anyone can spin on it so it has less media value. With the Brown case every new person who had an idea the media could run with a new spin(however wrong) every day.

brown was a criminal and thug who all evidence points to him being overly aggressive and most likely charging at the cop when he was killed(there are potential reasons that he wasn't acting aggressively by charging the cop and could have been completely innocent and basically murdered but fairly unlikely), this case is much facts known from the start. The media isn't really able to spin it nor turn it into a multi month drama. What happened happened, everyone knew the truth very early.

However the verdict is complete BS.... with one proviso. Could the Brown case be effecting the other case, Wilson is most likely correctly not facing charges and there is literally nation wide outrage.

If the cop in this case was put on trial, one, could you get a jury that isn't feeling outrage at another case, two, would the media give him a fair trial or push for an insanely harsh sentence(even compared to what this guy did). He should IMHO be charged with causing a death but nothing like murder.

What I'm saying is, considering the current situation in america, would he say 2 years ago have gotten a 2-5 year jail term in a low security prison while they fear due to the current public unrest he may now end up with a stiffer charge, and face 15-20 in max security or something.

I can see a genuine case of him not being able to have a fair trial right now, but there has to be a way around that. A non jury trial in which he gets the same sentence other cops in similar circumstances have received.

Someone with the authority(is it the US attorney general ?) should take over and press charges but as above find a way to take a public jury out of it and give him a fair sentence, but I think causing the death of someone while acting against policy in a job you chose to take on responsibility for peoples safety he really should be facing a jail term.
 
OldCoals said:
Yet a Coroner decided he had been murdered.

Lets be clear here, he did not die because he was choked, he died from a heart attack of which the choke hold was a contributory factor.
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true... but surely the egg shell rule/principle applies to some extent....


The protests over the Brown case were a bit of a farce, it is quite clear why there was no indictment.

Protests over this one are pretty legitimate, tis baffling really - they're not allowed to use choke holds, the cop is filmed using one and the coroner rules that the choke hold essentially caused/triggered his death. I hope the federal prosecutors will do something.
 
I agree with the outcome, the guy had a heart attack when being arrested, it's not the officers fault he was obese/asthmatic.

And just to clarify for those who can't tell from the pictures, he was put in a headlock not a choke hold. As perfectly allowable for almost any police force.

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The officers who approached Garner were responding to community complaints about his ongoing activities. When he grew uncooperative and resisted arrest, they followed protocol on taking him into custody. Officers are required to be as quick as possible in getting a perpetrator into custody so that he has no chance to injure the officer, innocent bystanders or himself. Garner was 6-foot-3 and 350 pounds. Using a headlock to bring down a man of that size was appropriate. Headlocks are used in thousands of arrests each year, especially of individuals not cooperating with the police. I used the maneuver in dozens of arrests. And it was a headlock, not a chokehold. To be a chokehold, there must be constant pressure on the person’s neck, compressing his windpipe or cutting off the flow of blood to the carotid artery, rendering him unconscious. Watch the video: It’s obvious that the arresting officer put his arm around Garner’s neck to bring him to the ground — but once Garner was on the ground, he was still conscious and able to say he couldn’t breathe.
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A chokehold requires pressure, that could just be with his arm around his neck?

I mean, how else can you hold someone by the head.

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This one is a complete joke. The cop is clearly guilty, he killed the guy for gods sake, there are no ifs and buts about it, it's all caught on film.

Yet another case which will insight hatred between blacks and cops in America. Well done.
 
Isn't this basically the same sort of thing (apart from the fact that this guy was flogging dodgy fags, and was put in a choke hold) as that British chap who died after he was whacked around the legs and knocked his head.

In both cases, I'm sure the cop didn't want to kill, its just that was the outcome.

What happened to the UK cop? I take it this US cop isn't getting the same action?

I would like to know, not trying to start a discussion off of this.
 
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