Paris mayor wants diesels banned...I think I'm in love

Got a point. I think most city centres should have vehicle bans and more done on public transport such as trams and bicycle lanes.

Shopping in Belfast when the ring of steel was up was bliss. Apart from the threat of bombs and all, no traffic! \o/
 
jas72 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30368504

Oh I can't wait until more people wake up to the damage these things are causing.

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The people who needed to wake up were the governments who encouraged the explosion in diesel purchases through taxation schemes that massively favoured diesel cars. The end result is that in some areas of the market now 95% of the cars you can buy are diesel.

Because only CO2 mattered, right?

It's now going to be somewhat difficult to sort out as millions of people own diesel cars because the manufacturers tailored the range towards them as a result of the total focus on CO2 above anything else. You can't suddenly outlaw the choice of car of quite so much of the population.

If only they'd not focused on Co2 quite so heavily and instead gone after NOX, we'd have a vehicle fleet of quiet efficient petrol engines now not the bizarre situation where if you want to buy an E Class with a decent engine and you don't want an E63 AMG they will literally only offer you a diesel.
 
I fully agree with you Fox this is sadly the case in Belgium as well. With tax on diesel 30% less and company cars fully reimbursed in Belgium with tax breaks it's much cheaper for people to pay their employees with company cars than to actually pay them a wage so lower wages and free car and free diesel = loads of nutcases on the road caring not a jot about the environment.

I only hope Brussels follow suit but it won't since Brussels has no less than 19 ... yes 19 Mayors for 900 000 people. :(
 
It takes a person that doesn't have to pay for their fuel as it's paid by for their diesel driving electorate who'll probably retire on a healthy pension by 2020....oh wait.
 
looks like i better rev it a bit going through cities while i still can. i probably contribute 50 diesel cars worth of emissions.
 
Aw no motors.... i won't post again it's an environmental topic nowt to do with motors....

won't be back to this dead thread. :(
 
I think the political tide will turn against diesels over the next few years, thats part of why the next car I plan to get will be a hybrid petrol.
 
I totally agree with this despite driving a diesel myself. However, the investment in petrol engines which are equally efficient and have low tax is far from where it needs to be. I know driving my diesel is awful for pollution but there is no petrol out there which would match the efficiency.

I also cannot afford to change just yet and even if I did, it'd be another diesel.
 
As a diesel driver I sincerely hope that we squeeze diesels out of the market. They really are quite horrible things whose only saving grace has been the popular acceptance of turbochargers.
 
The big problem is that while Diesel engines are great for NOx limits on cycle (NEDC), in the real world under real conditions NOx is just way out of limits and causing the real problems.

Gasoline on the other hand, pretty much controls NOx on and off cycle, so isn't a worry at all.

It's just going to become even more expensive for Diesel buyers in the next few years when everything has so many aftertreatment systems on there to try and cut out the NOx!
 
Good on her. I love Paris (though I am biased) but since the explosions of diesel in Europe owing to the cheaper fuel and benefits given to diesel on the continent, it has got worse.

Paris is so well connected by public transport that you seldom need a car anyway. Really London is the same, and if there were less cars it would life a lot more comfortable.

As someone that loves driving I don't see city driving as driving, more as a means to an end and a bore.
 
I do wonder if the best way to reduce emissions is to reduce the amount of time people spend driving cars in the city. Not through bans or emissions zones but through ensuring traffic flows as smoothly as possible and there are plenty of places to park...
 
[TW]Fox;27316597 said:
I do wonder if the best way to reduce emissions is to reduce the amount of time people spend driving cars in the city. Not through bans or emissions zones but through ensuring traffic flows as smoothly as possible and there are plenty of places to park...
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Hey, don't go thinking things like that, once you start looking at actual solutions to the problems you start going mad.

Restrict HGV access to all towns and cities during peak traffic.
Enforce all loading and unloading bays.
Restrict all HGVs to the inside lane of dual carriage ways.

Re evaluate the amount of disabled and parent and child parking bays on offer at all venues and supermarkets- I've been to places where there are 100+ unusable bays put aside for disabled and parent and child provision that just sit empty.
I've been to one major electronics distribution centre in Newark that has its staff parking all along the access road to the estate because there is no room to park - because a quarter of its car park is restricted to disabled parking.

There are never any cars parked in them.

Give tax breaks to people and businesses that allow its staff to work from home where ever they can and encourage businesses to be more creative and intelligent in how they manage people's time.
I work from home one day a week, it's great, i also don't have fixed hours of attendance, I come and go as I please and as long as I am in line with business expectations at the end of the quarter/year then everyone is happy.

I average about something like 26 hours a week.

And so on and so on.
 
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