Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?

[Danthus]

The reason people like to find scapegoats is that it works. because people always want an easy answer to a difficult problem, no matter how wrong that answer is. Much better than having to think or anything embarrassing like that.

So what does that say about Labour and the Conservatives who are all of a sudden concerned about immigration?

 

[Caged]

Nobody said anything about Labour or the Conservatives, and this thread is about UKIP.

You seem to have an idea that people are putting down Farage because they are huge fans of Miliband or Cameron.

To answer your question though it shows that those parties aren't interested in correcting people's misunderstanding towards certain situations and would rather try and outdo each other with who's going to do the most about it, regardless of whether it is helpful or legal. This is all the voting population (in general) understand.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

So i ask again, whats your solution then? Or are you going to just ignore any posts too difficult to answer?

The irony is so strong in this post that the only thing which could make it funnier is if you were completely ignorant of it which, incredibly it seems, you are

 

[robgmun]

The irony is so strong in this post that the only thing which could make it funnier is if you were completely ignorant of it which, incredibly it seems, you are

Just go back to choosing which sheep will lead you in the next parliament Mags.

 

[Meridian]

So what does that say about Labour and the Conservatives who are all of a sudden concerned about immigration?

You just quoted my answer, so why did you ask the question? Not to mention no politician ever saw a bandwagon without wanting to jump on it. And to join those mixed metaphors up: the scapegoating of immigrants for fifty years of government stupidity and innaction has become a bandwagon.

 

[v0n]

So what does that say about Labour and the Conservatives who are all of a sudden concerned about immigration?

Knee jerk reaction to discovering that 30% odd of the active electorate harbour xenophobic feelings and needs to be somehow catered for?

I understand Conservatives, they have very strong right wing backbench, which can be embarrassingly exploited (defect or try and rise to power) if the leader doesn't react quickly enough.

I am surprised by spineless leadership of Labour though, because historically a solid number of their strongholds rely on votes from first generation immigrant and ethnic communities, so wobbling and shaking their regular pro-immigration position at this point in election calendar looks almost suicidal.

 

[robgmun]

Knee jerk reaction to discovering that 30% odd of the active electorate harbour xenophobic feelings and needs to be somehow catered for?

Worried about immigration does not equal xenophobic, lets get that right first and foremost. And if that figure is correct (i think secretly it's much higher) then considering what low turnouts we have at General Elections, if that figure feel strongly enough to vote then it's a massive section of voting public they need to cater for.

I am surprised by spineless leadership of Labour though, because historically a solid number of their strongholds rely on votes from first generation immigrant and ethnic communities, so wobbling and shaking their regular pro-immigration position at this point in election calendar looks almost suicidal.

I'm not surprised. Labour has always been populist and spineless in policy making. Although you're right that they rely on votes from first generation immigrant and ethnic communities (and this was the main reason for the open door policy in the first place so they can import voters in wholesale). They still need to rely on the northern working class which seems to be finally disillusioned with them and they are losing them in droves to whatever alternative there is.

 

[TwsT]

meanwhile on the M4 immigrants everywhere making rich folk late for important dinners.

 

[deuse]

meanwhile on the M4 immigrants everywhere making rich folk late for important dinners.

Welcome to days ago. Please try to keep up old chap.

 

[elmarko]

The irony is so strong in this post that the only thing which could make it funnier is if you were completely ignorant of it which, incredibly it seems, you are

It didn't go unnoticed here either.

 

[robgmun]

It didn't go unnoticed here either.

Goes to show whether i reply to V0n or not doesn't actually matter, some people will always change there stance to suit, just like MrMoonX which is a completely other level of willful ignorance,

 

[daz.rathbone]

Same as Germany, or France or any other EU member. That's kind of the point of free movement.

Just my 5p worth: I agree with the above, except without other policies being in-line, such as economic and social policies, free movement ends up disproportionate.

You only have to look at the goings on in Calais to see examples of this - why do people travel all through Europe and don't settle there, with their aim being to get to the UK? Some will be down to family/friend/connections, but not all.

I realise this is not quite the same as EU freedom of movement, but the principle still applies - if factors are better in a particular destination, not solely welfare state benefits, then the movement will be disproportionate.

 

[robgmun]

In total agreement, those that are pro-EU and freedom of movement seem to readily ignore the Calais problem because it doesn't suit their argument, which is a symptom of the current crisis

 

[Svack]

meanwhile on the M4 immigrants everywhere making rich folk late for important dinners.

I see UKIP has its own traffic feed now!

 

[RDM]

Goes to show whether i reply to V0n or not doesn't actually matter, some people will always change there stance to suit, just like MrMoonX which is a completely other level of willful ignorance,

You can't really complain about someone not answering a question when you do the same though. It comes across as somewhat hypocritical.

 

[robgmun]

Unfortunately it's behind a paywall but the FT now agrees with UKIP on foreign aid policy.

For those that are subscribed, http://www.ft.com/cms/s/91ff62f4-7c...//search.ft.com/search?queryText=+foreign+aid

 

[Freakbro]

Unfortunately it's behind a paywall but the FT now agrees with UKIP on foreign aid policy.

For those that are subscribed, http://www.ft.com/cms/s/91ff62f4-7c...//search.ft.com/search?queryText=+foreign+aid

Umm, no they don't?

The FT are saying that we shouldn't rigorously stick to the 0.7% of GDP contribution level and go for quality over quantity, and UKIP want a blanket 85% reduction in the level of Foreign Aid.

But it's ok, we understand the need to try and latch on to any reputable source for validation of UKIP's 'policies' D) even when it's a misrepresentation.

 

[TwsT]

Welcome to days ago. Please try to keep up old chap.

sorry my bad I'm used to fraudulent politicians only making blunders once a week.

 

[LordSplodge]

You only have to look at the goings on in Calais to see examples of this - why do people travel all through Europe and don't settle there, with their aim being to get to the UK? Some will be down to family/friend/connections, but not all.

The UK has a high standard of living (well that's slipping a little) and thus is an attractive final destination. Non-EU migrants settle all over Europe but don't let the media spin on Calis catch you off guard, or the spin that all migrants, EU & non-EU are here for benefits (or our jobs or both depending on the mood)

In total agreement, those that are pro-EU and freedom of movement seem to readily ignore the Calais problem because it doesn't suit their argument, which is a symptom of the current crisis

Nobody's ignoring the Calais 'problem' it's just we aren't frothing at the mouth Daily Mail style over the fact there is a migrant camp there.

 

[LordSplodge]

sorry my bad I'm used to fraudulent politicians only making blunders once a week.

Our motorways used to be fast and free flowing before all those Polish, Lativian and Romanian horses and carts came over here stealing our punctuality, don't you know?