How do we allow the world to be like this?

To save the planet, ohmnomnom. The food industry, mainly meat and dairy is unsustainable and most grain is grown for overpopulated farm animals instead of starving humans. That industry is subsidised by government too, that's why it's so cheap.

Go vegan and you can help the environment, animals and the planet.
 
AlecR said:
Please explain how Veganism is relevant here. It solves none of the issues that I have introduced, not even the ones regarding agriculture.
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First I am not a Vegan nor do I agree with ethical Veganism but...

I really struggle to see how it is not a solution to at very least your agriculture argument.

It is massively more efficient to grow crops than it is to breed animals.

Now take that statement of fact (and it is fact) and consider if we did not want meat then the food corporations could not sell it to us.

Now consider your other arguments and think if we did not want "it" whatever "it" may be then maybe those corporations would not be so powerful.

If you want to stop Google becoming the most powerful company in the world do not use there search engine , Apple do not buy an iphone etc none of us need most of this stuff most of us simply choose to do so.
 
There would still (in my opinion) be large corporations that would control the industry if everybody was a vegan - somebody would try to capitalise on it, that's what business is. In my view you're not solving a problem, more replacing it with a different problem that results in the same issues.
 
Food Inc is an expose´on agribusiness. Veganism relates massively. It's full of things that I already knew, some of which inspired me to become a vegetarian 10 long years ago, and others that I did not. I know some people who haven't eaten meat since watching Food Inc.

Forks Over Knives is a great documentary similar to Food Inc except it's filmed through the vegan lens (more focused on the benefits of eating plants).

Regarding agriculture
http://www.veganoutreach.org/whyvegan/environment.html

Food, Inc. does a great service to the vegan cause, because as long as agribusiness is corrupt, powerful, and gigantic, veganism will always be on society’s fringes.

You really don't think veganism solves any problems relating to the planet, people and animals then?
 
Large businesses will still be involved, but that's the world we live in. At least the planet wouldn't be getting destroyed by animal agriculture, people would be eating healthier and nobody would be starving from all the grains fed to livestock. You'd be paying large businesses to grow healthy food, animals would have the right to freedom, less pollution, less water waste, protected soil.

If everyone went raw vegan that would be even better because we used 8 times more energy cooking food than we do driving vehicles. Also you can grow 2.5 times more food with fruit by taking advantage of vertical plane space. Fruit would be so much cheaper too if most people ate it, let the government subside that instead!

Here's some quick info. http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/jul/18/vegetarianism-save-planet-environment
 
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less important issues though ?

If we are all Vegan and nobody was starving.

The worlds problems are deeper than that though if no one is starving we have more people dying from disease.

We solve that and we are looking at drinking water

Then sanitation 2+ billion people do not have access to proper sanitation ie a toilet.

Is this really the fault of capitalism ?

Frankly for me it is because we all just do not care enough , we all speak out and say the right things when needed but if a political party came along and said for example we raise income tax by 3% and the moneys goes to world sanitation , disease and Famine projects people would not vote for it.

Honestly just read the comments people make about the pittance the UK gives out in overseas aid in a hundred threads on this forum to understand the fault is not really with the evil corporations , it is with us.

The really sad bit is the UK is actually one of the better countries in the world for this.
 
v0n said:
At the moment about 100 members of the upper house inherited their position, over 50 are on permanent leave or absence or are long term prohibited from serving and 26 are spiritual peers nominated by CoE. It's not as much technocratic as just plain weird.
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I'm not suggesting the current system is right, however I don't believe sticking in more career politicians with no experience of anything outside of politics, law and media is the best idea. There are already a number of life peers that are the perfect sort however, years of experience in the real world and "industry". We need more of the latter, less of the former...
 
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