No, my argument was with the idea of leaving your party not being a form of turn-coating. Which it is. Of course you are free to change sides - everyone is, and always has been. But that freedom (as any freedom usually does) has a cost. In this case, being a traitor. You can't hide the basic principle that you stuck a knife in the back of the party which supported you. Of course, in some case you could argue that the party moved away from you, but this is not true of any of the major parties, with the possible exception of the LibDems moving a bit Right. The others have barely moved in fifteen years.
Will UKIP win its first seat in parliament tonight?
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No, my argument was with the idea of leaving your party not being a form of turn-coating. Which it is. Of course you are free to change sides - everyone is, and always has been. But that freedom (as any freedom usually does) has a cost. In this case, being a traitor. You can't hide the basic principle that you stuck a knife in the back of the party which supported you. Of course, in some case you could argue that the party moved away from you, but this is not true of any of the major parties, with the possible exception of the LibDems moving a bit Right. The others have barely moved in fifteen years.
If immigration isn't an issue as LibLabCon have consistently told us why are they all of a sudden are they "getting tough" on it?
They either lied or were oblivious. We all know they only care now because they will do anything for a vote.
Either way, it doesn't look good for them.
They either lied or were oblivious. We all know they only care now because they will do anything for a vote.
Either way, it doesn't look good for them.
Groundhog Day had an end though.
According to one website Bill Murry spent 34 years in that movie!
.Radio 4's John Humphrys admits BBC ignored mass immigration fearing it would be branded racist by critics, I'd link to the article but it's on the DM and Mags head would probably explode. Just google it for yourself.
I see Kerry Smith has done the right thing then, so that's that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30473388
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It isn't an issue (not enough to justify the column inches it gets at least), Ukip have done well to make it appear that it is a big issue, and if you were a member of the British public getting your information from the tabloid press you would be forgiven for thinking that it was a huge problem.
Political parties will always focus on issues that the public think are important because they want to win votes. Unfortunately that leads to the situation we find ourselves in where a disproportionate amount of energy is spent discussing things that aren't really that important in the grand scheme.
Surely being on sedatives would make you more likely to tell the truth? So really he's saying sorry for letting his true feelings out.
I wish they'd vet their candidates more efficently. They bring a lot of the anti ukip feelings upon themselves with whom they choose to run for them
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I wish they'd vet their candidates more efficently. They bring a lot of the anti ukip feelings upon themselves with whom they choose to run for them
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Well surely it does look good for them ???
As most UKIPpers here say the key issue is "its all about the uncontrolled immigration."
If a mainstream "proven" party will do something about that surely it will draw more defectors back to home. Keep the conservatives in Power to blindly continue trying their way of running an economy. a 2nd parliment would be great. No more Labour blaming (fat chance), only their own incompetence and lack of ability.
If its not all about uncontrolled immigration and its just some kind of "imagunna teach those Public school boys a lesson by putting another public school boy in power then, well, VOTE UKIP/ Let the Labour/Libdem Coalition reign free
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I don't agree with this in the slightest, and would consider the sentiment similar to many cynical politicians.
There is only so often that people are fooled (you'd hope anyway!).
Immigration and its complete lack of checks and bounds has been a problem for many people (rightly or wrongly). Til UKIP started making progress, NO ONE really touched the issue at all. Voting between two parties on the issue was like a wasted vote.
UKIP has forced them to address the issue, but we all know that the conservatives will ignore it for economic reasons (its easier to import cheap labour away from nice neighbourhoods and classes than to train up indigenous folk), whilst labour still fundementally believe in some foolish one world system.
Only by continued support can people actually truly get across issues which are important to them.
Fundementally I fail to see how this is a bad thing, no matter what the topic is.
Yes, all the above is true, however, to fully understand this phenomena one needs to get a full picture. Let me wrap it up in a simple story:
The land was peaceful and prospered. Then one night a small group led by a loud drunk appeared in random taverns in the land opening the doors, shouting "Zombies! Hide your wives, hide your children. Zombies!" before promptly closing the doors and running away in panic.
The alarmed people started repeating this unusual message to each other in taverns and market squares, often adding new elements to the tale. Some claimed zombies were spotted in nearby woods. Others would say that they'd heard from their twice removed cousin that their wives brothers uncle met someone in church the other day who was just organising funeral for their sisters nephews girlfriends kid, who in turn, was, in fact, eaten by zombie few days prior. Ugly affair that, they had to chop the small head off the poor thing, to stop it from turning into a zombie too, the next person would add. Alarmed elders turned to their lords for help.
The king and princes of all the lands called their best scouts and advisors to investigate. Many weeks they investigated, then all returned to the castles. "My lords, we've traveled far and wide, no zombies were seen by us or anyone in person anywhere and we found no tracks, marks or victims of zombies in any county. All we heard was folk tales and rumours, which don't seem to be true".
But the rumours would not rest. Random hysterical individuals were now seen addressing crowds on sundays, warning of imminent danger, advising people to arm themselves and lock their doors at night. Travelling salesmen would now sell stakes, machetes and other zombie weapons by the barrow load. The word was spreading and now every time someone mentioned story of that sisters nephews girlfriends kid allegedly eaten, someone nearby would always confirm "yes, I've heard that too". The fear was spreading. Alarmed elders once again turned to their lords for help.
The king and princes once again assured elders that no zombies were seen anywhere and that everyone was safe. But the elders wouldn't budge. "Maybe the guy who knows about zombies should be our leader" they mused. If he's wrong, we'll have some defences against zombies just in case, but if he's right, when zombies come, we'll be ready, you can't go wrong with such a leader?".
The king couldn't allow this to happen, so he pondered for many days and finally came up with a solution to calm the crowd down and stop the rumours. He called the elders back in and said "I, the king, am in agreement with you - something must be done about those zombies. I shall quadruple the number of patrols currently guarding your farms against zombies. Any zombie encountered shall be slayed on the spot. I personally vow to provide each man who had a member of their close family eaten by zombie the victims weight in gold. And I decree that zombies from now shall be banished from our land and forbidden to re-enter for all times."
Now, where we are, with UKIP, in this story is the point where the drunk and his merry men reveal to the people that king lied - no ban on zombies was written into the law, not a single zombie patrol rider left the castle, not a single slayed zombie body was displayed and nobody got paid even a single penny for the victims. And people feel betrayed and stand at the gate with pitchforks and torches, rioting.
But what they are missing, is the fact that the king was telling the truth. Zombies were never real. So no zombies were ever slayed. And no patrols were ever needed. And four times more patrols, is still no patrol at all. No victims were ever eaten so no gold ever had to be paid. And no law banishing zombies ever had to be ever written.
The problem that lead to mass panic and fear, simply never existed at all.
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Still not getting why you think UKIP will be any better.
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Gotcha, we don't have any immigrants in this country.