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Calling them animals is an insult to animals.
10 year old suicide bomber.
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You can eat animals.
My point is we're not seeing that. We're not seeing Muslims fighting these groups. We're seeing states.
Where are all the European Muslims fighting against isis or boko harem or hezbollah? What about the taliban, or al'qaeda?
Nowhere. Mostly because when they do go out there they're joining them!
Er, Syria?
Er civil war.
You can't take issue with Muslim preachers saying things that you don't like while also claiming that what Charlie Hebdo did/do should be protected under freedom of speech. Free speech is a binary choice, you're either for it or you aren't. You can't support free speech until the point where someone is saying something that you don't agree with.
If and when a line is crossed into inciting violence then action can and is taken. Whether this action is delayed for fear of being labelled as something is an issue to take up with politicans and/or the police, but the laws are there.
Well that's kind of like saying why don't all the heads and leaders of an army all fight on the front line. But that would be a poor strategy if you have all your leadership wiped out. What they should ask is why don't they send their sons and daughters instead of others, but to be honest its not that simple as different causes have different motivations and what not.
Well probably because most European Muslims have made a life here and have no inclination to take up arms and join a violent war in another part of the world.
For comparison too Nazi Germany was fought by states and not just random people from the populous.
Yet most of those who joined volunteered for it.
Look at the partisan groups throughout Europe that existed during the second world war.
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Why should they?
They have come here to get away from all that.
You really need to remove the Britain First mentally of tarring all Muslims with the same brush.
It doesn't matter if they volunteered, they still fought under a state, several states. Not crudely formed militias with an AK and a couple of hand grenades.
I'll go back to the ww2 example then. Why should Britain or the us have aided others against Nazi oppression? The United States had nothing to fear and Britain on its little islands was pretty much safe, hell, Hitler quite liked us up until we told him where to go!
How exactly am I tarring all Muslims with the same brush by saying that some are completely warped mental idiots and the others don't really seem to care about that?
Did you fail to read the bit you quoted about partisan groups?
Who often fought with no or improvised weapons.in fact you've made yourself look even dumber by saying they'd fight with an ak. Something which is an excellent weapon that could only have been dreamed of by an infantry soldier during the second world war!
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Easier to convince if you hold a few trump cards, like promises of immortality, heaven, hell, doing God's work, us against them, win at all costs, whatever is convenient. The extent and potential damage of ideologies can vary greatly. Garbage in, garbage out.
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Because you're asking where are all the European Muslims fighting against the Extremists. If they are not fighting them then they must be with them obviously.
I on the other hand think they are here because they want to get away from all that crap.
and you still fail to see the point that the fight against Nazi Germany was led by a couple of powerful States. Yet you are arguing that European Muslims should go there and fight militant groups in their own little groups.
To make it easy for you did those partisan groups fight Nazi Germany entirely on their own against Nazi Germany with only their bare hands? or was there a State leading the fight?
At times they stood alone. After Britain had retreated at dunkirk the french resistance stood alone. The same for the polish. The Belgian. The Dutch. They were alone.
The same also goes for the Greek fight against fascism.
The armies they were facing were far more organised and better equipped than most terrorist groups.
Also what you're ignoring is that these Islamist factions are essentially doing the send thing. They're small groups standing alone often against states. If they can do it for 'bad', why can't other Muslims do it for 'good'?
Abu Hamza was preaching or inciting violence as do many of these other preachers. I have no idea where you got the idea that I am taking an issue with Muslim teachers saying things I don't like as I certainly did not say this.
I was am talking about the ones that incite violence, glory in the acts of barbarism by so called fundamentalists. Hamza was doing it in the streets for long enough with nothing more than a slap on the wrist. and did it for ten years unless I missed something somewhere.
The laws as you say may well be there but tended to be used primarily against supposed Islamphobic acts or utterances but rarely against the Muslim preachers/teachers.