Chuffing do-gooders and busybodies

FoxEye · 19 Jan 2015 at 11:51

@Jono8

You claim I'm a massive hypocrite. Perhaps. But let's go over this one more time, for the very last time.

On the one hand, I *am* happy to cut down (some small amount of) brambles, despite the potential (minor?) impact it might have on bunnies, insects, birds. I think the impact is being grossly over-stated, to the point where you think I'm actually killing the wildlife - this is probably not true. Show me a bunny, or a bird, that can not continue living when a small bramble patch is removed.

You say this stance is the same as being prepared to poach tigers or other endangered mammals. I say that's ridiculous. I feel it's so ridiculous I shouldn't even have to explain it.

If, however, you all feel this makes me a "massive" hypocrite then I shall accept my badge and wear it. Because the brambles must die.

Also, in general, I tend to disagree with the majority view on a lot of things. I know this frustrates a few people here, because I often reject the advice I'm given. That's just who I am. I go my own way.

FoxEye · 19 Jan 2015 at 11:53

phonemonkey said:
Final question - you mentioned a machete in one of your replies on page one so how do you intend to get this machete to the area you're intending to illegally clear?

How do you think? Concealed on my person, of course. Down my trousers, maybe... or in a bag

phonemonkey · 19 Jan 2015 at 11:56

FoxEye said:
How do you think? Concealed on my person, of course. Down my trousers, maybe... or in a bag

Don't you think the police might have a problem with you wondering about with a machete in your bag?

Foxeye how old are you?

cheesyboy · 19 Jan 2015 at 11:57

Just cut the damned brambles. Jeez, this thread :rolleyes:

There really is no problem with it on a moral or wildlife standpoint. And legally there's not a lot to be concerned with. It's a disused rail line; nobody cares.

FoxEye · 19 Jan 2015 at 11:59

cheesyboy said:
Just cut the damned brambles. Jeez, this thread

There really is no problem with it on a moral or wildlife standpoint. And legally there's not a lot to be concerned with. It's a disused rail line; nobody cares.

Well this is what I thought too.

But even here a lot of people do care. Why, I don't know.

FoxEye · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:01

phonemonkey said:
Don't you think the police might have a problem with you wondering about with a machete in your bag?

Foxeye how old are you?

I've looked at this. It's only an offense if you can't explain why you have it on you, if you carry it in a public place, or if they suspect it will be used as a weapon.

It's not an offense, for example, to possess or use a machete for the maintenance of footpaths, trails, etc.

neil_g · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:02

FoxEye said:
Why, I don't know.

maybe because you're about as far in the wrong as you could be.

MikeTheNative · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:08

FoxEye said:
Well this is what I thought too.

But even here a lot of people do care. Why, I don't know.

I think most people are just finding your blatant hypocrisy funny.

Tuppy_Glossop · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:11

Won't somebody please think of the poor blackberries ?

[TW]Fox · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:12

FoxEye said:
I've looked at this. It's only an offense if you can't explain why you have it on you, if you carry it in a public place, or if they suspect it will be used as a weapon.

It's not an offense, for example, to possess or use a machete for the maintenance of footpaths, trails, etc.

So the police will be ok if you explain it's so you can hack up somebody elses plant life?

FTM · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:13

as long as the question inst whats the best knife for dismembering a body and recomend a bath that wont dissolve when using a concentrated caustic soda...that may cause peoples eyebrows to raise somewhat

Jono8 · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:13

FoxEye said:
@Jono8

You claim I'm a massive hypocrite. Perhaps. But let's go over this one more time, for the very last time.

On the one hand, I *am* happy to cut down (some small amount of) brambles, despite the potential (minor?) impact it might have on bunnies, insects, birds. I think the impact is being grossly over-stated, to the point where you think I'm actually killing the wildlife - this is probably not true. Show me a bunny, or a bird, that can not continue living when a small bramble patch is removed.

You say this stance is the same as being prepared to poach tigers or other endangered mammals. I say that's ridiculous. I feel it's so ridiculous I shouldn't even have to explain it.

Can you not see your viewpoint on animals in this thread and your viewpoint on animals in that thread about China are just entirely juxtaposed?

In this thread you have shown a complete lack off empathy towards the wildlife you might affect (moving birds with your machete...) where as in the thread about China you have, and I quote said:

"China's total disregard for the environment or wildlife is causing the suffering and death of countless species"

"The only thing stopping us is our own apathy and disregard for life. We think that being the dominant species means we can ride roughshod over all else. I hope in time this attitude changes."

"A life is a life is a life. You often find that people who are OK with animal cruelty are quite capable of cruelty to their fellow man also."

Whether you value a tiger's life over a bird's or rabbit's life is not relevant. Can you not see how you have taken completely opposite viewpoints on the welfare of wildlife in both threads and that your thought process in this thread, is exactly the thought process that causes those events to happen in China?

Sarah469 · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:20

tbh mate they are quite fussy about this environmental stuff, a project im working on they have to delicately dismantle these old timber houses and provide shelter for bats in the roof of the brand new mansion they are building, and it can't be done until september so it's holding the project up lol. There's also an old muck heap for a stables and it can't be removed because there may be wildlife living in it

bitslice · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:23

To de-bramble or not is surprisingly complex, some species require undisturbed land, some species are adversely affected by too much bramble growth, sometimes volunteers are asked to clear brambles to promote the right kind of habit for a certain species.
Anyway I think bunnies prefer open land where they can see predators coming?

Overall I think foxeyes hacking may be slightly less significant than China's mass pollution of its rivers or any one of a billion other disasters currently ignored.
It's slightly disingenuous to complain when 99% of people have a garden that is devoid of brambles anyway because they cut them all down.

Jono8 · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:26

bitslice said:
Overall I think foxeyes hacking may be slightly less significant than China's mass pollution of its rivers or any one of a billion other disasters currently ignored.

Who said that it isn't?

Dyson · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:26

bitslice said:
Anyway I think bunnies prefer open land where they can see predators coming?

They tend to graze in open land, yes, but their burrows tend to be in brambles to stop predators from being able to follow them.

wilber · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:28

bitslice said:
To de-bramble or not is surprisingly complex, some species require undisturbed land, some species are adversely affected by too much bramble growth, sometimes volunteers are asked to clear brambles to promote the right kind of habit for a certain species.
Anyway I think bunnies prefer open land where they can see predators coming?

Overall I think foxeyes hacking may be slightly less significant than China's mass pollution of its rivers or any one of a billion other disasters currently ignored.
It's slightly disingenuous to complain when 99% of people have a garden that is devoid of brambles anyway because they cut them all down.

People are just pointing out his hypocrisy. I'd read that other thread.

phonemonkey · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:28

[TW]Fox;27501820 said:
So the police will be ok if you explain it's so you can hack up somebody elses plant life?

Indeed - "officer I was only going to take this machete, break into someone else's land and start vandalising it by hacking paths through the brambles."

Yeah I'm sure they'd say "in that case, carry on sir"

bitslice · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:33

wilber said:
People are just pointing out his hypocrisy. I'd read that other thread.

Everyone is slightly hypocritical, like 'I care about dying people in other countries' when there is a thread about it, otherwise nobody actually does.
Unless 'caring' can be defined as a limited emotion lasting no longer than five minutes or until Top Gear comes on, whichever is the sooner.
Anyone who moans about China when they have sprayed herbicide in their own garden is a hypocrite, we just choose to ignore this.

spoffle · 19 Jan 2015 at 12:39

bitslice said:
Everyone is slightly hypocritical, like 'I care about dying people in other countries' when there is a thread about it, otherwise nobody actually does.
Unless 'caring' can be defined as a limited emotion lasting no longer than five minutes or until Top Gear comes on, whichever is the sooner.
Anyone who moans about China when they have sprayed herbicide in their own garden is a hypocrite, we just choose to ignore this.

Except this isn't slightly. FoxEye just seems to be one of those people who says anything to further an argument they're currently making, without actually thinking through what they're saying.