Just how nutty are the Green party?

spudbynight said:
I am very afraid of the whole concept of "right to die" legislation. It is evil.

What puzzles me is how many people refuse to call it what it is. Assisted suicide.


No, I am very familiar with how the assisted suicide laws work in other counties. They allow women to be assisted in killing themselves because of a ringing in their ears for example. Those who reject the slippery slope argument only need to look at the way things have developed in Belgium.
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There is noting wrong with calling it assisted suicide.:confused:

Your post just proves my point, R.E. the stigma about allowing people to kill themselves.

Organisations like the Samaritans have a vital roll in helping those in depression an contemplating suicide, to reevaluate their ideas and allow someone to come to a 'rational' decision.

If someone still wants to kill themselves they will. If they cannot for some reason, for example they have no use of body parts to allow them to do so, then this is where assisted suicide should come in.*

The right to kill yourself is the ultimate right, far above the right to have a child, the right to a home, etc. The stigma of suicide is a relic of our religious past, much like many of the other hangers on (nudity, abortion etc.).

Conversely if suicide was less of a stigma people wouldn't necessarily need an anonymous phone line to talk to people about their troubles in the first place.

With the relevant safeguards to make sure no one is forcing another in to it or that it is their long term wish rather than a short term feeling.
 
AGD said:
We see from the continent that it is much more efficient to have nationalised railways. That is why they can outbid private companies here, and take the profits back to their home countries.

Renting train stock due to short-term franchises adds a huge cost to the system.
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Which is why I am all for a public entity competing against the private organisations.

If your logic is sound then the not for profit should be able to outbid the foreign owned companies AND provide a better service.
 
MrMoonX said:
The current threat is terrorism and we can't nuke them so what's the point it is no deterrent to anyone, our allies have them anyway
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Fixed that for you.

And actually that's not necessarily true, just look at the rise of China and remobilisation of Russia.

China is throwing it's weight around in SE Asia already.

I'm not suggesting we would go to war with either country, just that the relative calm over the last 20 years has skewed a lot of peoples feelings. It's not new, it happens all the time during relative peace, notably pre WW1, the interwar years and during 18th and 19th century between wars.

I'm sure it goes back even further than that.
 
Amp34 said:
Which is why I am all for a public entity competing against the private organisations.

If your logic is sound then the not for profit should be able to outbid the foreign owned companies AND provide a better service.
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You are ignoring the economies of scale that come with nationalisation. Foreign national train operators can compete because they enjoy huge domestic scale economies (as well as savings from long term planning).
 
You forget why we scrapped the nationalised rail network (after the 50 year trial*) in the first place.

*The railways were first nationalised in 1948, then re privatised in 1994. For most of their service railways in the UK have been private. In fact most of the railways were built by private companies.
 
Some policies are sensible.

However, the party has major critical flaws.

1) Policies have little to no attempt at being costed
2) Policies rely on influencing other governments to adopt similar policies
3) They have strong opinions on changing everything. No part of the UK would be unaffected by green policy, this stands in stark contrast with every other UK party which recognise that on a whole we're doing all right



Other policies are just plain nuts:

You can't be scottish or welsh:
We will replace current British nationality legislation in order to provide a single class of British nationality. All British nationals will have the right of residence in the UK. Such British nationality will automatically include all those currently in a category of British nationality which does not give entry to the UK.
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Destruction of military might, its so idiotic I don't know where to begin debunking it:
http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/pd.html


I could go on, but just read the policies for yourself.
 
Nitefly said:
Seems like most other parties to me - some good policies mixed in with some really odd ones.
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Sums the lot up.

Such as making the "creative" subjects equal to the "academic" ones... :confused:

Let us all hold hands, feel the spirit of the earth and abolish the fiscal cliff and the deficit, with the sound of throat singing and peace pipes to go deep into the soul.
 
Or English?


What I'm surprised at is why they don't have a policy that says they will legislate that all new builds will have to have a certain kW of solar panels on their roof, or other renewable energy source.

The incremental cost of solar over roof times at the time of construction is fairly minimal but it is not seen as a priority by anyone at this time, at least publically.
 
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All serving personnel will be required to sign a pledge that they will not obey any order which would entail any breach of international law. In particular they will be able to disobey any order that required them to fire on unarmed civilians of their own or any other country.
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Well I'm glad for that, we don't currently follow any RoE at all. We don't currently have to abide by UK Law where ever we are in the world, as well as the local law of any country we're serving in.
 
RDM said:
Why do you seem to be linking Dolphs views to the BNP? He is a libertarian rather than a racist party with a populist socialist sprinkling. There is very little overlap between Dolphs views and the BNPs. You probably have closer views to the BNP.
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I was wondering that, I can't say I always agree with Dolph's point of view but it's usually got a logical underpinning and it very rarely aligns with the BNP.

XeNoN89 said:
The greens are complete fruit loops. People should be attacking them and their supporters instead of UKIP.
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I suppose it depends which you think is more damaging to either the country or your interests. Of course you could also disparage both parties and their supporters for being equally unelectable in different ways - it's not a zero sum game whereby you must vote for either extreme (if you'll excuse the lazy characterisation that they're at opposite ends on all things).
 
RDM said:
Why do you seem to be linking Dolphs views to the BNP? He is a libertarian rather than a racist party with a populist socialist sprinkling. There is very little overlap between Dolphs views and the BNPs. You probably have closer views to the BNP.
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It's Bunnykillbot, he thinks anyone who isn't left is a BNP supporter. He tried the same thing with me and couldn't come back with proof. I honestly think suspensions should be handed out for claiming a forum member is part of the BNP if they can't back it up
 
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Westyfield2 said:
I'd say that the greens are a lot more "nutty far-left" than UKIP are "racist far-right", and therefore more dangerous.
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The danger posed by UKIP and similar extremists is that they blame woes on "those people". It's been observed many times in history that blaming problems on groups of people is very, very dangerous because when such parties gain power they eventually run out of "those people" and then they start to focus on other groups they deem problematic.

The green party has some reasonable ideas and some that border fantasy but I don't see how any of them could be considered dangerous.
 
I did agree with a few of those points, many I thought were a bit extreme, but not unexpected from a party who are anti coporation, but when I read that Alternative Medicines will be promoted I lost all hope. They are mental.

I heard from word of mouth and thought it pretty funny, true or not, that the only place in England with a Green Party MP, has the worst recycling record in the whole country. :D
 
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