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AMD: Future GPUs will significantly boost performance in 4K resolutions

africanos23 said:
I use to run news on my site and I know how these things go.

It's just clickbait articles to get traffic and ad revenue, decided I didn't like what was going on and stopped.

I have a list of sources if you guys want to catch news faster ;)
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No need

I can make it up just as fast as anyone else.:D

On a serious note I think these clickbait articles are totally disgusting as they waste a lot of peoples time and raise false hopes or worse.
 
nah it gives ppl something to do when they are bored! :)
there would be a lot more drama on chatsites without celebrity clickbait!
 
Gerard said:
So essentially this article is saying, new card is gonna be faster, never expected that :eek:
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To be fair, after the 960 launch its no longer a given that a new card will be faster than its predecessor. :cool:

Still it's hard to really judge whether the next AMD cards will game at 4K well until we see real benchmarks for real cards that cost real £s.
 
Don't want to sound negative but higher end cards are still needed for newer games at 1080p, that is if you want consistent high fps.

Single cards handling 4k at a reasonable fps would mean if you ran 1440p the fps would be sky high for a long while.. Yeah, not going to happen any time soon. Only option is multi gpu and that brings its own problems. Wish they would fix those problems.
 
Just to point out some actual information for people on why it could be 4GB only. HBM, it comes in 1GB stacks that provide 128GB/s bandwidth each at standard clocks of 1Ghz. So 4 stacks would give you 4GB and 512GB/s of bandwidth along with it. Can you do 6 stacks and get 6GB, sure, 8 stacks, sure.

The main situation is that in sticking chips together on an interposer (effectively a pcb on silicon scale) the more chips you stick together the worse the yields get. Stick 4 memory stacks and a gpu on an interposer, if one connection fails they all go in the bin basically. So 8 stacks ends up having a significantly higher failure rate than 4 stacks, there is going to be a financially sensible limit to how many stacks you can put on a cheapish consumer card.

It's all new tech and we don't really know what yields they've hit. Maybe it will be a 6GB card because 6 stacks is feasible maybe not. Professional cards could probably absorb the costs of adding more memory due to the selling price but in the £300-450 range it would really hurt prices.

First cards could be higher capacity or use more stacks. Same way DDR4 was first specced lower than when it eventually came out, people are taking the lowest spec for HBM as absolute certainty of the first chips we'll see, which is frankly nonsense, and HBM2.0 as the only possible time we could get a higher capacity, again also nonsense.

Personally I'm fine with 4GB for a couple years, get me a nice 120-144hz 1440p 16:9 monitor for now. 2-3 years from now with affordable and decent 120hz 4k screens we'll be another generation on and have 8-16gb cards by then.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Just to point out some actual information for people on why it could be 4GB only. HBM, it comes in 1GB stacks that provide 128GB/s bandwidth each at standard clocks of 1Ghz. So 4 stacks would give you 4GB and 512GB/s of bandwidth along with it. Can you do 6 stacks and get 6GB, sure, 8 stacks, sure.

The main situation is that in sticking chips together on an interposer (effectively a pcb on silicon scale) the more chips you stick together the worse the yields get. Stick 4 memory stacks and a gpu on an interposer, if one connection fails they all go in the bin basically. So 8 stacks ends up having a significantly higher failure rate than 4 stacks, there is going to be a financially sensible limit to how many stacks you can put on a cheapish consumer card.

It's all new tech and we don't really know what yields they've hit. Maybe it will be a 6GB card because 6 stacks is feasible maybe not. Professional cards could probably absorb the costs of adding more memory due to the selling price but in the £300-450 range it would really hurt prices.

First cards could be higher capacity or use more stacks. Same way DDR4 was first specced lower than when it eventually came out, people are taking the lowest spec for HBM as absolute certainty of the first chips we'll see, which is frankly nonsense, and HBM2.0 as the only possible time we could get a higher capacity, again also nonsense.

Personally I'm fine with 4GB for a couple years, get me a nice 120-144hz 1440p 16:9 monitor for now. 2-3 years from now with affordable and decent 120hz 4k screens we'll be another generation on and have 8-16gb cards by then.
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Its interesting for sure, I would expect it will mean less chance of bigger memory versions at a latter date as well, as you say it not just a case of sticking higher density or more chips on cards PCB ( like we get with the currant 8GB cards) bigger versions of HBM cards would need to be designed that way from the start.
 
I'm pretty sure since AMD would have had to agree to allow the 8gb 290x's they realise more then 4GB is needed/wanted for high quailty at UHD etc, but there could be a lot of technical stuff like DM said why this new memory wont be more than 4gb to begin with.
Personally i will try and wait for a pair of nice 6gb+ next gen cards :)
 
triss said:
I'm pretty sure since AMD would have had to agree to allow the 8gb 290x's they realise more then 4GB is needed/wanted for high quailty at UHD etc, but there could be a lot of technical stuff like DM said why this new memory wont be more than 4gb to begin with.
Personally i will try and wait for a pair of nice 6gb+ next gen cards :)
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I suspect the new high end AMD cards will have more than 4gb, I think we need to wait and see as guessing is pointless.:)

I will say one thing though, as AMD have been pushing 8gb cards very hard lately, they would not want to go back to 4gb for a top end card.:)
 
Kaapstad said:
I suspect the new high end AMD cards will have more than 4gb, I think we need to wait and see as guessing is pointless.:)

I will say one thing though, as AMD have been pushing 8gb cards very hard lately, they would not want to go back to 4gb for a top end card.:)
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380X isn't the top end card, that's the 390X. The 380X is AMD's answer to the GTX 980. That's a 4GB card also..

For those that want something higher end, that will be be 390X and GM200..
 
Boomstick777 said:
380X isn't the top end card, that's the 390X. The 380X is AMD's answer to the GTX 980. That's a 4GB card also..

For those that want something higher end, that will be be 390X and GM200..
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I suspect that the 380X will be the top card for this year and we won't see the 390X until the middle of next year.

This is only so much you can do with 28nm and I think the 380X will be pushing it to the limit.:)
 
Did anyone hear about that news where if a game is made to take advantage of DX12/Mantle that vram stacks? So we would finally get 8gb with 2 cards, if true it only leaves micro stutter to be fixed and all would be sweet.
 
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