HSBC scandal.

Does someone have any figures for how much we lose out on Tax Evasion and also how much we lose out on benifit fraud? Would be good to get a comparison
 
Yes but benefit fraudsters should be hung, or at the least sterilised according to some on the forum, whilst tax avoidance is to be celebrated...
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The government doesn't "lose" anything due to tax avoidance, because they are not entitled to it. The may, and do, lose money to evasion.
 
The government doesn't "lose" anything due to tax avoidance, because they are not entitled to it. The may, and do, lose money to evasion.

Once again, the dividing line is not as clear as you suggest. Many instances of 'avoidance' are actually 'evasion' -- they just haven't been looked into by the authorities.
 
Once again, the dividing line is not as clear as you suggest. Many instances of 'avoidance' are actually 'evasion' -- they just haven't been looked into by the authorities.

And that is the fault of successive governments. The tax book should be far simpler, less open to interpretation and more prescriptive. It should be the duty of treasury to make sure there are no loopholes, contradictions or uncertainties in any new tax raising legislation.
 
Haha, so Lord Fink challenged Ed Milliband to repeat his accusation of Fink being a tax avoider outside of the house of commons and he would sue him...

So Ed does repeat it today and Fink immediately backs down saying, 'well everyone does it and what I did was at the vanilla, bland end of the scale' :D:D:D

Priceless :p
 
Haha, so Lord Fink challenged Ed Milliband to repeat his accusation of Fink being a tax avoider outside of the house of commons and he would sue him...

So Ed does repeat it today and Fink immediately backs down saying, 'well everyone does it and what I did was at the vanilla, bland end of the scale' :D:D:D

Priceless :p

At the same time Ed still manages to make himself look like an idiot with his "when I said dodgy Tory donors I didn't mean that Tory donor was dodgy" climb down.
 
At the same time Ed still manages to make himself look like an idiot with his "when I said dodgy Tory donors I didn't mean that Tory donor was dodgy" climb down.

Haha yea, though Cameron made just as much a fool of himself when he ignored the calls to support his donor and just walked off. To be fair to Milliband though, looking like an idiot is his default position :D

Miliband has got some brass neck calling out others for tax avoidance given he engaged in practices to limit his tax liability.

He wouldn't be a politician if he didn't have that much brass neck and inherent hypocrisy ;)
 
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Haha yea, though Cameron made just as much a fool of himself when he ignored the calls to support his donor and just walked off. To be fair to Milliband though, looking like an idiot is his default position :D

It does seem that the best way for the Conservatives to win is to say nothing and let Labour keep shooting themselves in the foot. "What colour what you like you Get Women Voting van?" "Patronising pink please, we all know the ladies love pink!"
 
It does seem that the best way for the Conservatives to win is to say nothing and let Labour keep shooting themselves in the foot. "What colour what you like you Get Women Voting van?" "Patronising pink please, we all know the ladies love pink!"
The Tories are not going to win.
Labour (New or Old) are not going to win.

UKIP and the SNP are going to decide who will misrule the country - and continue to suck enthusiastically at the teat of tax avoiders.
 
Owen Jones getting thoroughly unstuck on Daily Politics when it turns out the anti-tax-avoidance-left wing ****** turns out that he works for The Guardian which *drum rolls* avoids tax!
 
on the plus side..Lord Stanley Fink sounds like a great name for a baddie in Scooby Doo
 
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