Unemployed yoof to pick up litter in return for benefits...

balky12 said:
Pick up some of the pieces. I don't disagree. Long term unemployment due to laziness, unwillingness, too higher expectations does not cover this though imo.

Can't get the job you want? Keep trying. Or perhaps go for something else that has some relevance. Still struggling, perhaps go for some more training. Don't want to train? Then get a job doing anything.

Jobs are being created (and made redundant) constantly. I walk down my highstreet and see vacancy posters everywhere. Local shopping center exactly the same. In the city there are constantly jobs available. If you are that good companies create a job for you, to not lose you to a rival.

Maybe it's because I got lucky, maybe it's because I have put the hard work and effort in, maybe it's because I'm driven. But I can't see how people can not have a job for so long. Whether it's out of choice or not.
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For someone born with a relative silver spoon, and who was fortunate to be of an age to gain employment before the biggest recession in nearly 100 years hit the country, you really could benefit from trying to use more imagination as to what things are like for people who do not benefit from those privileges.

You can't see how people can not have a job so long, because you are completely lacking in comprehension as to what being unemployed and inexperienced is like in a massively oversubscribed job market.
 
doofer said:
I think it is a good idea but would be far better for everyone if instead of forcing them to do menial tasks like litter picking they were trained to do things like Public Inquiries, the UK loves a good Public Inquiry and spends £MILLIONs and £MILLIONs on them every year, this would benefit everyone far more as instead of paying expensive Legal teams £THOUSANDS an hour over long and convoluted periods (A good UK Inquiry can take YEARS!) we would have these highly trained Inquiry workforce effectively for FREE! They would get valuable and much needed training, the TAX Payer would save £BILLIONs over the long run. I think there should actually be a Public Inquiry in to why we are not doing this already!
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Because training them would cost money, as you need to pay people to train them. Anyone can pick up litter, no training required.

Plus you need to give them a reason to go out and work to better themselves. Not be a shameful litter picker while trying to hide your face from people you may know.
 
nuttyprot said:
Why not hire the people to do the job? If a person is say doing 30+ hours a week picking litter up should they not be paid minimum wage for it? to me just seems like a way to get cheap labor and sadly see it getting abused
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That's my thinking,

If there is a job to do why don't you just employ them and pay them? then they won't be claiming benefits

lol...

This is a such a joke... the idiotic general public think people on benefits cause all these problems to the economy, the average person in the street is about as smart as a loaf of bread. The government are only doing this to appease the mob and it's the easiest target to go for.

BRB lets not fix any REAL problems like legal tax havens and corporations dodging tax constantly.... that would actually require effort.
 
malachi said:
Because training them would cost money, as you need to pay people to train them. Anyone can pick up litter, no training required.

Plus you need to give them a reason to go out and work to better themselves. Not be a shameful litter picker while trying to hide your face from people you may know.
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You think it's a positive to use this as a punishment to kick people with? People who are entering a jobs market where starter positions are massively outnumbered by applicants? Where minimum wage jobs are applied for by dozens of people?

Those who can't get a job need to be humiliated?

Frankly, you should be ashamed.
 
cheesyboy said:
You think it's a positive to use this as a punishment to kick people with? People who are entering a jobs market where starter positions are massively outnumbered by applicants? Where minimum wage jobs are applied for by dozens of people?

Those who can't get a job need to be humiliated?

Frankly, you should be ashamed.
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they should get prisoners out chaingang labour will save the economy
or like american prisoners run for profit like a business, I know we have privately owned prisons but it's not the same.

anyway isn't this whole thing just going to end up costing more money than just giving them jsa?
 
Pregnant women and those with preschool kids will presumably be exempt? Maybe this will this encourage girls to get pregnant at 18 to avoid litter duties?
 
GOOD, Get them doing all sorts I hate this right some of them think they have. They get JSA and spend it on fags and booze. My local job centre has loads of crap outside it.

I agree it should be on a what you have paid in basis thou.
 
And how is all this to be policed? They cannot even keep an eye on those that do community service. Then you will have all the health and safety ramifications. Coming into contact used needles condoms and the like.

Another policy that politicians love to come out with come election time, not thought through or costed just sounds good to those that still believe that politicians actual give a damn.

Lets hit the most vulnerable in society while letting a tax avoiding financial elite do as the please.

People including the young want jobs that pay a living wage, they all cannot be lawyers and doctors we need people to work in shops, serve our food, clean up our rubbish and why should they not expect a decent standard of living which the wages in most of these jobs do not allow. I am sick of this coalition telling me how great they are with the amount of jobs that have been created whilst conveniently forgetting to mention that those having to claim benefits whilst in work has trebled under this government.

So get the young to pick up litter or whatever but not for the Job seekers allowance but for a proper living wage.
 
arknor said:
they should get prisoners out chaingang labour will save the economy
or like american prisoners run for profit like a business, I know we have privately owned prisons but it's not the same.

anyway isn't this whole thing just going to end up costing more money than just giving them jsa?
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The principle of it isn't about shaming, or saving money, or making them "earn it". That's all how the morons who read the DM will see it, and that reaction is a factor in Tory policy (they know it's a vote winner to appear to hammer the poorest).

The actual principle, which is reasonable, is that getting out and doing some form of job or community work is actually beneficial to an individual. That's both in terms of health and wellbeing, and in terms of employability, and in terms of preparing for real work, and in terms of feeling part of the community.
 
No doubt the scroungers will kick up a fuss about it.

But why should they get it easy, half a year should be plenty of time to find a job! If they havnt, then atleast they will be giving something back for the taxpayers over generous term in paying them
 
cheesyboy said:
The principle of it isn't about shaming, or saving money, or making them "earn it". That's all how the morons who read the DM will see it, and that reaction is a factor in Tory policy (they know it's a vote winner to appear to hammer the poorest).

The actual principle, which is reasonable, is that getting out and doing some form of job or community work is actually beneficial to an individual. That's both in terms of health and wellbeing, and in terms of employability, and in terms of preparing for real work, and in terms of feeling part of the community.
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then why 30 hours a week? working for less than minimum wage is going to give someone a sense of purpose and worth?

EU will probably rule they need a full minimum wage or some BS
 
I can't see this working based on the hourly rate that would be paid. I'm all for them doing 10 hours a week to help the local communities in exchange for their £50 a week benefits allowance.

I also think this should be tied to all ages, not just those under 21.
 
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