Unemployed yoof to pick up litter in return for benefits...

[balky12]

You going to tell some kid born into a life surrounded by drugs and crime with a terrible upbringing to pick up a book on nutrition and think he's going to read it? again you're smoking some strong stuff. I'm willing to be you yourself have never read any good quality books on nutrition.

"Oh he's just lazy" I love this one. It's the go to argument for every person who wants to think of the world in simple truths. Hey I don't blame you, it's far easier to just exclaim he's lazy than it is to look at the bigger issue? requires you to expend far less mental energy.



Yes your parents put pressure on you TO SUCCEEED. I'm talking about some kid with parents that don't care and who grows up with a bunch of friends who put pressure on him to go car-jacking and do coke because it's the norm where he lives. LOL.....

I'm just saying it's easy to sit on an internet forum after having a decent upbringing and hold contempt for others less fortunate and just label them as lazy scroungers who take taxes. But I guess we all have to find ways to feel better about ourself eh? nice easy target. You get to sit back and feel like you are superior to someone.

Let me tell you this, if you were raised in a life like that you'd be one of them. You are not some special hard working *********.

The anger in you is incredible.

I don't hate people on the dole, why don't you read some of my posts? I am talking about those who are long term unemployed. For this topic 6months+. Here is an actual view of mine:

6 months down the line people need to be asking questions, the individual especially. Why can I not find another job, why are people not employing me? Is my job now completely redundant as a role in the workforce (outdated, etc.). Am I not qualified enough? Is the market just saturated and hardened? Is it me as a person?

Willing to bet I have never read a nutritional book in my life, what are your arguments coming to? I studied PE and sports nutrition at college. Guess you win that bet. Most people who claim eating healthier is more expensive are lazy. It really isn't. You just can't put it in the microwave for 30 seconds or slam it in the oven for 20 minutes. It's more time consuming, not expensive.

It's easy to sit on a internet forum and do most things. I don't hold contempt for these people. As i said earlier, and in a few posts, people looking for jobs need help and should get help. But when you start venturing into the long term unemplyed you need to start asking the right questions.

Yes, I have had a nice upbringing. Yes it helped me become more successful. Yes it helped me to where I am today. Yes I have had it easier than some. Yes I am fortunate.

Doesn't mean I haven't put any effort in, or worked hard to be where I am in my career, or deserve this life/career less than anyone else.

Broken family/ poverty/ isn't a barrier to success. An obstacle maybe. Plenty of example of people out there that do it.

Please don't accuse me of thinking I am superior to anyone. You need to reign in your internet white knight persona.

If I was raised in the conditions would I be like that? Possibly. Can't really call it either way. I'm not a special hard working *********, you're right. Worked hard enough to have a decent paid job to fund my lifestyle though.

 

[balky12]

I'd say that's actually a pretty spot on reference, going on my past debates with our Balks

Judging by your earlier posts I thought you'd say let them eat cake.

I quite like baking actually. Maybe I should bake these people cakes...

 

[balky12]

Any particular drugs?

Are you the police

I work in the city and love a festival

 

[cheesyboy]

Are you the police

I work in the city and love a festival

I only ask because I have it in the back of my mind that you'd previously expressed a dislike of either drugs in general or weed in particular. Though I could be mixing you up with someone else...

 

[balky12]

I only ask because I have it in the back of my mind that you'd previously expressed a dislike of either drugs in general or weed in particular. Though I could be mixing you up with someone else...

Ah nah wasn't me. I dislike weed though, as a personal preference.

Unless you are on about the driving whilst stoned should be legal thread? That's just retarded.

 

[LordSplodge]

I can assure you I was not brought up in a 'negative free' and 'pressure free' atmosphere. In fact my parents put huge amount of pressure on me to do well with school and in my working life.

You're saying that your parents putting a bit of pressure on you to perform is comparable to being raised by uncaring or abusive parents on a sink estate?

Hmmm.

It's possible these kids can overcome the obstacles placed in front of them but it would be very difficult and hardly comparable to your scenario.

 

[Kelt]

Then it could teach them a useful life skill of how to cook and free up care workers to do some more actual caring...you gotta look on the positive side of things

Yes, and any deaths from eating undercooked/poisonous food would decrease the surplus population, and ease the pension problem.

Win/win, as the yanks would say.

 

[The Geezer]

What was it the other week? Labours new 'death tax'.

You clearly didn't understand what the recommendation was. It was about recovery of the costs for social care. Do you really think the country can afford to provide the service for free ?

What I loved was the comments from those who were complaining their inheritance was going to be affected if the government recovered the costs looking after their loved one. If they were that bothered why not look after their own loved one.

 

[b0redj0rd]

I feel that if they are making someone work even if they are on the 'dole', they should be paying them the minimum wage for each hour worked. Otherwise I don't really see how it is legal ... Isn't it called the 'legal minimum wage' for a reason?

 

[balky12]

You're saying that your parents putting a bit of pressure on you to perform is comparable to being raised by uncaring or abusive parents on a sink estate?

Hmmm.

It's possible these kids can overcome the obstacles placed in front of them but it would be very difficult and hardly comparable to your scenario.

I'm not saying it is. Looking back at this age now, that kind of pressure from my parents is nothing, you're right. But when you are a little kid doing your first exams, and you don't know / understand much of the big wide world, that pressure from your parents is immense, you feel failure would lead to dissapointment and your world ending.

Then there are just general pressures that the vast majority of people go through. Relationships, friendships, etc. etc.

 

[balky12]

You clearly didn't understand what the recommendation was. It was about recovery of the costs for social care. Do you really think the country can afford to provide the service for free ?

What I loved was the comments from those who were complaining their inheritance was going to be affected if the government recovered the costs looking after their loved one. If they were that bothered why not look after their own loved one.

How did you get that from my post? It was a tax that specifically targeted the richer people in society. I fully understood what it would be introduced for.

On a personal level re care my grandad is ineligible for state help. Despite being a veteran. So we were looking after him by ourselves. Until he got too violent, especially for the women in our family. So now we pay a special care home out of our own pockets to look after him. He has alzheimer's and dementia.

That's why I was a bit touchy on the thread that was about. Government want to take money from us to fund care for the elderly, but in my Grandads moment of need, they won't fund him...

p.s. he wasn't ineligible for help because of monetry circumstances.

 

[Nevakonaza]

So we cut frontline services, like litter picking, make the staff redundant.

Then get kids to do it for under £2 an hour? Genius.

Exactly my thoughts,All this will end up doing is putting Street Sweepers and a lot of council staff out of a job.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Why not hire the people to do the job? If a person is say doing 30+ hours a week picking litter up should they not be paid minimum wage for it? to me just seems like a way to get cheap labor and sadly see it getting abused

You could always pay more tax if that is what you want. I however see no reason why the state should pay minimum wage for this.

 

[drakioned]

How did you get that from my post? It was a tax that specifically targeted the richer people in society. I fully understood what it would be introduced for.

On a personal level re care my grandad is ineligible for state help. Despite being a veteran. So we were looking after him by ourselves. Until he got too violent, especially for the women in our family. So now we pay a special care home out of our own pockets to look after him. He has alzheimer's and dementia.

That's why I was a bit touchy on the thread that was about. Government want to take money from us to fund care for the elderly, but in my Grandads moment of need, they won't fund him...

p.s. he wasn't ineligible for help because of monetry circumstances.

Have you considered that maybe he's ineligible because people argued against more funding for elderly care because they didn't want to pay more taxes?

 

[The Geezer]

You could always pay more tax if that is what you want. I however see no reason why the state should pay minimum wage for this.

But then you are happy to pay Tax Credits to those who work to make up the shortfall in salary.

Why not apply the same thinking to this group ?

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Have we also got any kind of evidence at all that this is a scheme to "fund the elderly", beyond the speculation of a few young entitled adults, that is?

 

[D.P.]

and your point being? calories arnt really the same as nutrition , you eat 3000kcal of carbs a day ill eat 2000kcal of mixed food a day lets see which one of us ends up in hospital with malnutrition shall we?


you can also get beans, onions, peppers mixed bags of sweetcorn, borcolli swede, potato, pretty much anything you think of for about a quid give or take 20p.

for the price of the usual burgers and chips or chicken nuggets ready meal you can have a several meals worth of pasta and sauce, vegs and meat, rice and sauce, curry, pretty much anything catch made can be made in bulk an portioned out kept in the fridge or frozen.

buying what are actually really expensive chips and nuggets and burgers and ready meals and takeaways then saying your too poor to eat healthy is ****ing retarded.


oh and this is something along with cooking i've taught to some of my long term unemployed/long term ill friends and now they are much healthier eat much better and have more money spare.

People who claim they are too poor to eat healthy should just be put down to save the human genome. As you point out, healthy food is a lot cheaper than unhealthy food.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

lol, make a lasagne for less than a pound. Go on.

 

[D.P.]

lol, make a lasagne for less than a pound. Go on.

A Pound a portion, easy.

 

[Tefal]

So how does the child of crap parents do anything about this mr smug?

well given the argument was they were too poor to be properly nourished not that their parents were crap I'm not sure where you going?

or are you just saying poor people are crap parents by default as that actually seems to be the stance you're putting across here.