I think law enforcement in the UK is generally good. I'm 42, have never been arrested or sent to Court. I live by the rules and have nothing to hide. Ask me anything, except my bank details lol, and I'll happily answer. I have nothing to hide because I'm not a criminal. I'm happy with CCTV everywhere, if the government want to read my emails, then let them, I don't care. They're mostly boring anyway lol.
Conservative proposal to end 'end-to-end' encryption technologies
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I think law enforcement in the UK is generally good. I'm 42, have never been arrested or sent to Court. I live by the rules and have nothing to hide. Ask me anything, except my bank details lol, and I'll happily answer. I have nothing to hide because I'm not a criminal. I'm happy with CCTV everywhere, if the government want to read my emails, then let them, I don't care. They're mostly boring anyway lol.
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It's just another step in the tip toe towards a police state tho.
Remember the NSA and the Five Eyes Alliance are already watching. So for me this is just an excuse, by Cameron and the Americans to further watch what we do online.
Wether we have anything to hide is beside the point.
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The other problem is data breaches. If someone was able to hack in to these servers/databases, they could leak info in to the public realm.
Remember the NSA and the Five Eyes Alliance are already watching. So for me this is just an excuse, by Cameron and the Americans to further watch what we do online.
Wether we have anything to hide is beside the point.
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The other problem is data breaches. If someone was able to hack in to these servers/databases, they could leak info in to the public realm.
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If they keep this sort of thing up, the years to come will certainly be interesting.
I'm all for paedophiles, murderers, terrorists and drug smugglers having their backsides handed to them by the police armed with internet (and every other form) of surveillance. But for the same reason i don't want the goverment bugging my house, listening to my phonecalls and reading my mail for no reason (ie with no warrant on the off chance i should commit a crime) i dont want them monitoring what i do online, no matter how benign that is.
It's one step from monitoring people without cause to hush hush changing the law about something and then retrospectively locking people up having already gathered what evidence they needed. For example if they suddenly made torrenting a £1000 fine in order to line their pockets. The innocent have everything to fear
Its bad enough companies like google are doing their "anonymous data collection" schemes by randomly adding it to every damn app you get on android these days.
I'm all for paedophiles, murderers, terrorists and drug smugglers having their backsides handed to them by the police armed with internet (and every other form) of surveillance. But for the same reason i don't want the goverment bugging my house, listening to my phonecalls and reading my mail for no reason (ie with no warrant on the off chance i should commit a crime) i dont want them monitoring what i do online, no matter how benign that is.
It's one step from monitoring people without cause to hush hush changing the law about something and then retrospectively locking people up having already gathered what evidence they needed. For example if they suddenly made torrenting a £1000 fine in order to line their pockets. The innocent have everything to fear
Its bad enough companies like google are doing their "anonymous data collection" schemes by randomly adding it to every damn app you get on android these days.
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It's potentially very dangerous.
In politically corrupt societies, the potential for the government to watch your on line activities and build up a profile on you, is detrimental to your freedom of speech and liberties.
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Imagine a time in the future where the government and police departments, can scan a citizen and it goes of queries a database and brings back a online profile for you, which the police can then use to monitor citizens ALA Watch Dogs.
In politically corrupt societies, the potential for the government to watch your on line activities and build up a profile on you, is detrimental to your freedom of speech and liberties.
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Imagine a time in the future where the government and police departments, can scan a citizen and it goes of queries a database and brings back a online profile for you, which the police can then use to monitor citizens ALA Watch Dogs.
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People seem to think that with nothing to hide they will have nothing to fear. As has been the case throughout history, association with the wrong person can land you in a lot of trouble. Suddenly everything you do is under scrutiny and interpreted with a critical eye.
I don't think we would have anything particularly to fear if they did this but I don't want to start down this road and I don't think that the government can be trusted with these powers. If you spend all day hearing about terror plots and atrocities being committed you will have a very skewed view of reality and the danger to the public. Even if you think that what you are doing is for the greater good you are not necessarily right.
What would happen if they started going back over your entire history or emails and text looking for criminal activity. Perhaps you mentioned not paying for something in error. When you were younger you sold some weed to some mates. Perhaps you cheated on your exams etc. Its just a very dangerous thing to give up.
I don't think we would have anything particularly to fear if they did this but I don't want to start down this road and I don't think that the government can be trusted with these powers. If you spend all day hearing about terror plots and atrocities being committed you will have a very skewed view of reality and the danger to the public. Even if you think that what you are doing is for the greater good you are not necessarily right.
What would happen if they started going back over your entire history or emails and text looking for criminal activity. Perhaps you mentioned not paying for something in error. When you were younger you sold some weed to some mates. Perhaps you cheated on your exams etc. Its just a very dangerous thing to give up.
You're asking the wrong question, the question is why shouldn't people be allowed to encrypt their information. And you certainly can create an unbreakable letter, as WW2 proved.
As a software developer, they really don't stand a chance of stopping end-to-end encryption. Tor, VPNs and most recently, WhatsApp are just a few examples where such freely available technologies make it very easy to use and implement to everyday people. Just as Chinese firewalls are widely circumvented by it's population, any law in this country would go down the same route, at this level I'd be completely against a law against encrypted communications.
Ignoring the above fact, I am definitely not in the same boat as many other "omg they can see what I'm doing online the world will end" fanatics. I don't understand this argument. Do people realize that every phone call, every step you take in the majority UK towns/cities and any drive that touches main roads/public transport journey and shop you visit you will be traceable via CCTV or other means. Has this had a negative effect on your life in the slightest? Not mine, except for perhaps the chance of being caught speeding has increased.
Why is it so different online? Most of the internet is a public space and should be treated as such. Obviously what you do on your completely private Facebook page (similar to what you do behind closed doors) is your choice, but I see no reason why communications between people there, or elsewhere, [again, ignoring the encryption facts above] shouldn't be subject to similar laws than private phone calls ALREADY have.
I don't have an issue with the government having the power to listen into my phone calls and I hold the same view with respect to my online behaviour.
Ignoring the above fact, I am definitely not in the same boat as many other "omg they can see what I'm doing online the world will end" fanatics. I don't understand this argument. Do people realize that every phone call, every step you take in the majority UK towns/cities and any drive that touches main roads/public transport journey and shop you visit you will be traceable via CCTV or other means. Has this had a negative effect on your life in the slightest? Not mine, except for perhaps the chance of being caught speeding has increased.
Why is it so different online? Most of the internet is a public space and should be treated as such. Obviously what you do on your completely private Facebook page (similar to what you do behind closed doors) is your choice, but I see no reason why communications between people there, or elsewhere, [again, ignoring the encryption facts above] shouldn't be subject to similar laws than private phone calls ALREADY have.
I don't have an issue with the government having the power to listen into my phone calls and I hold the same view with respect to my online behaviour.
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Massive data centers do the job.
But I'm sure they have enough compute power to hunt for keywords. Flag keywords for human viewing tada.
Anyone seen captain America the winter soldier?(if you haven't wth) worst case scenario the illuminati have created something similar and are drawing up a hit list. Best case it extends it reach further into our lives.
Anything they come up with will be completely unenforceable anyway. The right to privacy is one that should be respected and so I don't support any proposal to stop encryption. I worry what would happen to debit/credit card transactions, and if any of the secure internet protocols such as SFTP, SSH, and HTTPS would be considered "encrypted messages."
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This confirms your fears.
They do if a key word or number is picked up automatically then a man can be assigned to look at it.
Have you had your head in the sand the past year?
Personally I think the right to life is more important than minor breaches of the right to privacy (governments reading the emails of terror suspects would be a minor breach, the fappening would be a major breach imo). Anything reasonable that makes it more difficult for the terrorists to operate gets my support.
But that is only a problem if the user plans to ignore uk law. The government won't care about amazon using https for example, because a request through the correct channels will result in amazon providing the information.
Where the problem comes is with those who want to use encryption as a means to bypass the law, which is a different issue entirely.