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Amnesia said:
ok so give your explanation of how people who have died...been murdered or raped and murdered or died from accidental bombings to died of cancer have been helped.
you can use other examples to, like how people who were in financial trouble and went onto losing their homes and then died of starvation or some other horrible death, how these people were helped.

i was questioning these people who were in trouble and God was meant to have helped.

seems a case of if you are in trouble and you so happen to get out if it then it was Gods doing but if not then bla bla bla some excuse.
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I don't know you'd have to ask them specifically but then the point I have detailed to Sliver would also apply to you wouldn't it. They could rightly say you are shining a spotlight on a single event in a lifetime without placing it into context, you are ignoring what was actually experience through that event, etc.
 
Xordium said:
Once again I don't have a problem the very fact you've replied like that rather than challenged the point I made just backs up (like earlier) you don't really understand what you are reading.

Maybe that is why you link all those videos because you don't actually understand things well enough to articulate the point in context and therefore have to rely on others.

Let me clarify that post really simply for you:

You will never accept whatever evidence he can provide because the evidence he will provide will be instantly dismissed by you as meaningless. You'll then retort his sort of evidence is nothing of the sort and yet you will happily accept such evidence in other aspects of your life.
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Yeah, cheers for that profound insight into how your mind works. I'm not actually engaging you, I'm trying to get an answer from jmc007. So please, let me do that. Then knock your self out with criticisms etc.
 
Xordium said:
I don't know you'd have to ask them specifically but then the point I have detailed to Sliver would also apply to you wouldn't it. They could rightly say you are shining a spotlight on a single event in a lifetime without placing it into context, you are ignoring what was actually experience through that event, etc.
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so your reply is to ask a dead guy ?:p
or im shining a spotlight on a single event in a lifetime....you do know babies die too right ? lets make it easy for you...all babies who died on the day they were born.
Should i ask the dead babies ?
 
Xordium said:
Knock yourself out I've already stated what will happen. ;)

You'll do like I said and he get's a carte blanche because we can't refute anything he says. So it's kind of pointless ...
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Searching for truth is NEVER pointless. It's not just about the debate, it's more about the audience.
 
Amnesia said:
ok so give your explanation of how people who have died...been murdered or raped and murdered or died from accidental bombings to died of cancer have been helped.
you can use other examples to, like how people who were in financial trouble and went onto losing their homes and then died of starvation or some other horrible death, how these people were helped.

i was questioning these people who were in trouble and God was meant to have helped....how were they helped when they end up dead.

seems a case of if you are in trouble and you so happen to get out if it then it was Gods doing but if not then bla bla bla some excuse.
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From the perspective of eternal life within a Soul (and perhaps even resurrection) the assumption could be that it is part of the overall experience that we (the ascendant we) are required to experience...we may have lived and died many, many times, or perhaps the idea is one of the transformation of Mankind rather than the individual (Adam in Genesis for example means Mankind as well as Man)..this is the trouble with trying to answer such esoteric questions...if we assume there is a God, we do not know what the ultimate journey is or what lessons may need to be learned, whether the adversity inherent in life, even though it may seem pointless and cruel to us, has some greater purpose for our species? a little like as individuals we overcome adversity and learn from it, often it defines us in positive ways that are not immediately visible to us.

With these questions, when we assume the idea of God and Heaven etc, we still see death as some kind of ending, where it may well be just a transition, so the death of a child, whist tragic may not be when we are party to the larger picture..

I don't know, no-one does..but at the same time we cannot presume to think adversity, no matter how cruel and futile it might seem, is reason to dismiss someone's faith.
 
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Amnesia said:
so your reply is to ask a dead guy ?:p
or im shining a spotlight on a single event in a lifetime....you do know babies die too right ? lets make it easy for you...all babies who died on the day they were born.
Should i ask the dead babies ?
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Sorry I kind of presumed there was no way we could telepathically communicate with the dead so I presumed the logical thing would be to actually speak to the people who have suffered some of the ill events you described who are still living to find you your answer. You know the very people that could give you an answer.

Alternatively you could be obtuse and focus on one of the things you mentioned without addressing how you could do exactly what I said to the other people it would apply to ...
 
lol simpleton's and well educated equals the same.

*Edit. Seems a few of us are on the same hymn sheet here.
 
Sliver said:
Searching for truth is NEVER pointless. It's not just about the debate, it's more about the audience.
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Sorry, I thought didn't want to discuss this for a moment. Clearly you've changed your mind ...

It is pointless if the evidence you ask for will not be given to your satisfaction. That is pointless and ultimately very unscientific. Science should not be asking questions that it has no way of answering. You should be looking that things you can measure in a way that is acceptable to you.

What you are doing is tantamount to asking someone how hot their radiators are at this time ... with a ruler.

That type of enquiry is pointless.
 
Castiel said:
from the perspective of eternal life within a Soul (and perhaps even resurrection) the assumption could be that it is part of the overall experience that we (the ascendant we) are required...we may have lived and died many, many times, or perhaps the idea is one of the transformation of Mankind rather than the individual (Adam in Genesis for example means Mankind as well as Man)..this is the trouble with trying to answer such esoteric questions...if we assume their is God, we do not know wha the ultimate journey is or what lessons may need to be learned, whether the adversity inherent in life, even though it may seem pointless and cruel to us, has some greater purpose for our species?

With these questions, we assume the idea of God and Heaven etc, but we still see death as some kind of ending, where it may well be just a transition.

I don't know, no one does..but at the same time we cannot presume to think adversity, no matter how cruel and futile it might seem, is reason to dismiss someone's faith.
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You are correct that we do not know what comes after but his example was of God helping through troubles in his lifetime. my question is does God actually help in peoples lifetime ?
Surely with all the bad things happening it would appear he just lets us get on with it ...if he exists ofc.
 
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Xordium said:
Sorry, I thought didn't want to discuss this for a moment. Clearly you've changed your mind ...

It is pointless if the evidence you ask for will not be given to your satisfaction. That is pointless and ultimately very unscientific. Science should not be asking questions that it has no way of answering. You should be looking that things you can measure in a way that is acceptable to you.

What you are doing is tantamount to asking someone how hot their radiators are at this time ... with a ruler.

That type of enquiry is pointless.
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If you stopped posting at me I wouldn't need to keep replying and me and jmc007 could get on with our discussion.

Also, why you keep banging on about science mystifies me. Right now we are talking philosophy/theology.
 
Xordium said:
Sorry I kind of presumed there was no way we could telepathically communicate with the dead so I presumed the logical thing would be to actually speak to the people who have suffered some of the ill events you described who are still living to find you your answer. You know the very people that could give you an answer.
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me too
All those i mentioned were dead people, so why ask me to ask dead people ?
 
Sliver said:
If you stopped posting at me I wouldn't need to keep replying and me and jmc007 could get on with our discussion.

Also, why you keep banging on about science mystifies me. Right now we are talking philosophy/theology.
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I know but I've noticed you always have to have the last word - therefore I find it amusing that you once again expect everyone to act to your conditions.

What you were saying was - let me discuss it with him and have the last word.

Which of course you can because good night!
 
By the physical laws of the Universe itself Death is not the End. Matter is transformed not destroyed, so from that perspective we are eternal...it may not be in the ways that we expect, we not be "who" we are..who knows, but ultimately nothing ever really ends, it changes.

I recall someone using the TV as an analogy for corporeal life. When you switch the TV off, does that mean the signal no longer exists? Perhaps our "soul" (or what make us, us) is akin to that signal...received by our body (brain) and when our corporeal body dies, we are reintegrated into some greater intelligence simply awaiting for the next TV to be switched on...who knows. All I do know is that in an infinite universe, there are infinite possibilities and eventually we will all know the truth or it wont matter.
 
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