Corruption at its lowest.

Von Smallhausen · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:25

It appears that depraved activity may have been brushed under the carpet on instruction from the highest levels.

While it is a travesty that the likes of Cyril Smith cheated justice, those that either indulged in paedophilia, helped facilitate it or were active in covering it up should feel the full force of the law.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31924846

Thoughts ?

Burnsy2023 · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:30

I'm saddened mostly. I keep seeing all these enquiries into shortfalls in policing mostly in the 70's and 80's - Hillsborough, Saville and now this. Policing has changed a lot since then, indeed a lot since PACE was introduced. It seems to be so alien to how I view the police, but sometimes it does make me wonder if I'm being naive and that my faith is misplaced.

Super Tigers · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:32

Mmmmm, do we trust the police to investigate themselves? The IPCC has a real job on its hands and will it not be influenced from the establishment?

platinum87 · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:32

Such as the world is, what you would want is impossible, most are weak willed, others do not care etc...

First saville dies, and than all of a sudden he is a paedophile? Why not 30 years ago?

Mynight · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:32

Von Smallhausen said:
Thoughts ?

Anger.

Official secretes act should have a caveat for not covering up illegal activity.

Tuppy_Glossop · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:35

Imo, it isn't just a police issue. Large organisations often become self-serving and sometimes allow misdemeanours to 'serve a greater good', which is usually the continued survival and/or good name of the organisation.

randal · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:36

The thing that troubles me the most is that the public now know that something happened, they know the institutions above us are colluding to prevent it's truth ever seeing the light of day and yet there is absolutely nothing that can be done.

I also find this incredibly convenient that it emerges now on the eve of a general election.

However what sets this apart from the Yewtree investigations is that I can never see any abused party coming forward, which means they must be living in abject fear of reprisals. There's rumours of murders, so this would make this probably the most depraved and far reaching scandal we've had the misfortune to learn of.

Perhaps it's best we don't know?

Twirlywoos · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:42

Tuppy_Glossop said:
Imo, it isn't just a police issue. Large organisations often become self-serving and sometimes allow misdemeanours to 'serve a greater good', which is usually the continued survival and/or good name of the organisation.

Like the Government and Royal Family. As for the Police they have been corrupt since the instiutution started, I don't know why people are surprised by this.

Burnsy2023 · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:43

Mynight said:
Official secretes act should have a caveat for not covering up illegal activity.

The problem is that what is illegal isn't necessarily that black and white.

Burnsy2023 · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:46

majnu said:
Like the Government and Royal Family. As for the Police they have been corrupt since the instiutution started, I don't know why people are surprised by this.

And it the bashing starts. Most Police are honest and reliable people who do the job because they believe in the cause, much like nurses and teachers. Indeed many who get questioned in the Smith enquiry may end up having the opportunity to explain how upset they were at the decision at the time.

Lets remember that stereotyping over 125,000 people is never going to work well.

Mynight · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:46

Burnsy2023 said:
The problem is that what is illegal isn't necessarily that black and white.

Thats a fair point but surely something such as this would be obviously illegal?

Hitman_Leon · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:46

I think the corruption at the highest levels allowed the problem at every level of society to continue and grow unchecked in the past. The less people speaking out, less prosecutions, less publicity bringing out a socially taboo subject lead to victims staying in isolation.

John40 · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:52

majnu said:
Like the Government and Royal Family. As for the Police they have been corrupt since the instiutution started, I don't know why people are surprised by this.

All the police are corrupt are they ?

Burnsy2023 · 17 Mar 2015 at 16:59

Mynight said:
Thats a fair point but surely something such as this would be obviously illegal?

Perhaps you solve this particular situation, but then you may end up getting some unintended consequences.

I also think that current officers, many who weren't even alive when many of these incidents occurred are having their collective reputation dragged through the gutters by the mistakes of our predecessors. That can be really frustrating. I'm not saying that corruption doesn't happen, but the culture is certainly different now.

fatiain · 17 Mar 2015 at 17:00

majnu said:
Like the Government and Royal Family. As for the Police they have been corrupt since the instiutution started, I don't know why people are surprised by this.

How wide is your tar brush?

mmj_uk · 17 Mar 2015 at 17:00

John40 said:
All the police are corrupt are they ?

In South Yorkshire at least.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-abuse-Sheffield-scale-bigger-Rotherham.html

I don't think all police are bad but I do think a lot of people will put keeping their jobs/not stepping out of line when faced with corruption above doing what is right.

Uther · 17 Mar 2015 at 17:03

John40 said:
All the police are corrupt are they ?

I don't believe that. One of my friends is a (very disillusioned) police officer.
There is/was something very rotten at the core though. I still don't believe everyone involved will be outed, especially as it could involve the very top levels of society, and some of those, even today, would be considered untouchable.

Burnsy2023 · 17 Mar 2015 at 17:04

mmj_uk said:
I don't think all police are bad but I do think a lot of people will put keeping their jobs/not stepping out of line when faced with corruption above doing what is right.

I don't think that's the case currently. There have been some cases of corruption in Hampshire, but it's reassuring to know that most were reported by their colleagues to the Professional Standards Department when they saw concerning behaviour.

Hitman_Leon · 17 Mar 2015 at 17:06

majnu said:
Like the Government and Royal Family. As for the Police they have been corrupt since the instiutution started, I don't know why people are surprised by this.

The police were leaned on from on high, corruption exists in any area where self interest can be manipulated for gain, it's just the way a minority of people work, you cannot single out one profession.

Burnsy2023 · 17 Mar 2015 at 17:06

mmj_uk said:
In South Yorkshire at least.

It's also worth noting that many police force publish the outcomes of PSD investigations publicly, like South Yorks: http://www.southyorks.police.uk/our-standards/misconduct-findings