Poll: General election voting poll round 3

Voting intentions in the General Election?

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 286 40.5%
  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 56 7.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 122 17.3%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 33 4.7%
  • Not voting/will spoil ballot

    Votes: 38 5.4%
  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Respect Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 29 4.1%
  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 129 18.2%

  • Total voters
    707
  • Poll closed .
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It may be racist, but it would actually solve a fairly large problem of doctor shortages in the countries that put a lot of effort into training them, same as for nurses and other skilled migrants who come to the UK. Brain drain in these sectors rarely creates a feedback loop and deprives developing countries of urgently needed skills capacity.

I actually don't disagree with that! I would rather that we create our own Doctors and Nurses from our own population. But unfortunately there's not enough interest and there's a black hole in skilled labour in this country.
 
You're confirming what I said earlier. Green policies create a two tier system where wealth disparity is more visible. Cars for the middle-classes and the well-off, public transport for the poor.

Because the sooner gasoline powered cars are banned the better.

There will always be differences between the rich and poor, because you know, the poor have less money. The poor are much less likely to own a car let alone the several that rich families own, taking oil and gas producers for environmental damage won't change that.

Poor people don't drink expensive champagne as much, do you propose to force champagne to all cost £3 a bottle so the poor can afford it?
 
Or I may have just read the UKIP manifesto more closely than you.

Ok so the cap limit is back, fine i have no problem with that, but like i already said the combination of the skilled labour we need would very unlikely exceed 50k per year, every year. That quarter of the a million every term. Your perspective of numbers needs to be managed, this was labours mistake
 
You've simply made it sound racist to suit your agenda. The immigration policy does not care if its an Asian, Indian, American and certainly not a white European, at all. But then you know that.

My "agenda", which is?

If you have a system where the outcome of its design means Black/Asian people have less access than White people, then in any other context the likes of the Guardian would be all over it calling it racist.

It's called "Indirect Racism" and something heavily enforced here, so why isn't indirect racism a problem with the way the EU works?

Let's say I own a nightclub and I had a policy whereby anyone with a British accent can come in for free and not show ID but everyone else has to show ID at all times and pay a £10 entry fee. How long before I would rightly be in court for racial discrimination? That is analogous with the EU, pretending otherwise is asinine.
 
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We should all try to remember this before thinking "but I deserve a flight somewhere nice for my hols".

Also for the people saying fossil fuels are underpriced, this chart agrees:

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Fossil fuels are way more expensive than you think.



I like D.P.'s idea but in practice it's a disaster for dual citizens like me. Rather than being pleased to have dual USA/UK citizenship it's becoming very likely I will have to give one up to avoid being double taxed.



Mister Taxman: Why Some Americans Working Abroad Are Ditching Their Citizenships



The idealized solution to things like wealth tax and corporation tax in general is a globalized tray agreement. Something the greens are very much in favor of but they have to be more realistic in the short term.

The US taxation agreement though doesn't mean much if you were to return to the UK for example, you would pay more income tax in the auK than you would in the US so the double taxation agreements mean you won't pay any US tax but have the hassle of filing both UK and US taxes each year.
 
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Last week on holiday there were 13 wind turbines where we were walking and not one of them was turning.

I am all for green energy but not wind turbines, we should be investing in more tidal power.

Anecdotes don't make data. I've been to a nuclear power station which wasn't doing anything, does that mean all nuclear power stations are useless?

Wind generation cost less than nuclear, oil ,coal and gas production.
 
Double taxation normally works where you won't get taxed twice on income, you'll 'just' get taxed the most! Say the tax rate in country A is 20%, then the tax rate in country B is 40%, you won't lose 60%... you'll 'just have to give 20% to A and another 20% to country B (as they say you're meant to pay 40%, but you've already paid 20% to A, so 40-20 = 20%.

Exactly, and if one country had a wealth tax and the other didn't then you would pay the wealth tax.
 
If you have a system where the outcome of its design means Black/Asian people have less access than White people, then in any other context the likes of the Guardian would be all over it calling it racist.

It's called "Indirect Racism" and something heavily enforced here, so why isn't indirect racism a problem with the way the EU works?

It may well be indirect racism, but it's not direct racism which you try to imply by specifically stating White Europeans.
 
I have no problem with qualified doctors, GP's, Nurses, lawyers, scientists and other skilled workers, i highly highly doubt that would be more than 50K per year. 50K is a heck of a lot of skill labor!

And what about the air conditioning engineers, sheet metal workers, etc. The is a massive shortage of skilled workers in this country and 50k simply will not cut it, we had to get one of our AC engineers from Saudi Arabia (great bloke BTW) because everybody these days wants to go to uni for a party, fail media studies and then work at McDonalds, nobody wants to train for a skill.

We have just taken on an apprentice sheet metal worker who I kid you not is the first person to apply in over 20 years!


Wind generation cost less than nuclear, oil ,coal and gas production.

So did putting a solar panel on my roof, neither are as good a nuclear.
 
My "agenda", which is?

If you have a system where the outcome of its design means Black/Asian people have less access than White people, then in any other context the likes of the Guardian would be all over it calling it racist.

It's called "Indirect Racism" and something heavily enforced here, so why isn't indirect racism a problem with the way the EU works?

Let's say I own a nightclub and I had a policy whereby anyone with a British accent can come in for free and not show ID but everyone else has to show ID at all times and pay a £10 entry fee. How long before I would rightly be in court for racial discrimination? That is analogous with the EU, pretending otherwise is asinine.



Anyone who is back or white and is born in country in the world but is country an EU citizen has unrestricted right to migrate throughout Europe. There is zero discrimination.


If you control immigration with factors such as education you will also indirectly discriminate. An American is much more likely to have a degree than an Angolan, so your so called discrimination free controlled immigration is more discriminatory.




Your analogy is complete false. A better analogy would be a nightclub owner let's residents in for free but to rusting must pay £10, bouncers check driving licenses and everyone with a UK license get in free wherever they are originally from, people with foreign driving licenses have to pay.
This practice is extremely common and perfectly legal., colloquially known as a tourist tax. You will see it in museums and things.
 
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It may well be indirect racism, but it's not direct racism which you try to imply by specifically stating White Europeans.

It is not even indirect racism because whatever some lens origins if they are resident within the EU then they get the same rights to free unrestricted migration.
 
Enoch Powell wasn't actually a racist he worried that as his constituents were if we allowed more "strangers" in the racists would attack them and cause nationally embarrassing bloodshed like happened in ancient Rome where the blood ran into the Tiber.

Defo a paedo though.
 
This practice is extremely common and perfectly legal., colloquially known as a tourist tax. You will see it in museums and things.

Tourist taxes are usually applied to everyone, but yes I know what you mean, eg in Cambridge all the residents are allowed into Colleges for free on production of proof of address, I suppose you could call it a tax but its a Non-Resident's fee. Semantics though.
 
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From spoiling my Vote i am going to UKIP just to upset the apple cart purely on them announcing cutting foreign aid and putting it back in the UK.

Might be pennies, but at least its going to help here and not some backwater and then put in whatever tin pot dictators swiss bank account.
 
But the working classes are not currently getting screwed over.

How are the working classes getting screwed at the moment?

Longest working hours in europe,

Less Holdays then europe

Zero hr contracts

Less employment law

No unions
 
Anyone who is back or white and is born in country in the world but is country an EU citizen has unrestricted right to migrate throughout Europe. There is zero discrimination.

Not sure if you read the link I posted by a British Judge ruled that a school's ban on "gang hairstyles" was indirectly racist because it disproportionately (whilst unintentionally) discriminated against black people.

Now you could make the same argument, that black people don't have to have cornrows so there is zero discrimination but the reality is one group are more affected.

Less of European populations are made up of Black and Asian people than Africa and Asia is, therefore whilst a black person in the EU does have the same rights as a white person born in the EU, the policy states that mainly white countries have more immigration rights than mainly black or Asian countries.
 
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