Poll: General election voting poll round 3

Voting intentions in the General Election?

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 286 40.5%
  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 56 7.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 122 17.3%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 33 4.7%
  • Not voting/will spoil ballot

    Votes: 38 5.4%
  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Respect Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 29 4.1%
  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 129 18.2%

  • Total voters
    707
  • Poll closed .
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I'm absolutely in favour of an EU army. Why wouldn't I be?

Fair enough - at least you're honest unlike Ed was about this subject last night. Reasons why you might not be in favour include uncertainty about whether an EU army would respond to another invasion of the Falkland Islands, or if a warship could be despatched to Gibraltar if the Spanish start playing silly beggars again. I guess you might think we should give the Falklands and Gibraltar back to Argentina and Spain respectively anyway, in which case, fair play for being honest again.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary

Seems like Farage was correct - they do want an EU army. I wonder if all the anti-kippers in favour of remaining in the EU would be happy to be part of this?

"They"? Way to over-misrepresent the article. What you actually mean is that in this case, one high profile person in that article has said he wants an EU army, along with the German Defence minister, and this is not a position change or anything new for Juncker.
 
I guess you might think we should give the Falklands and Gibraltar back to Argentina and Spain respectively anyway, in which case, fair play for being honest again.

Absolutely not.

Reasons why you might not be in favour include uncertainty about whether an EU army would respond to another invasion of the Falkland Islands, or if a warship could be despatched to Gibraltar if the Spanish start playing silly beggars again.

I'd not necessarily expect the EU to despatch a warship to either; but the idea of an EU army is not that we surrender our own army in its entirety. I would expect us to retain our independent military capability at a level that would allow us to defend the Falkland islands and I think the idea of us getting into a shooting war over Gibraltar is absurd.
 
Fair enough - at least you're honest unlike Ed was about this subject last night. Reasons why you might not be in favour include uncertainty about whether an EU army would respond to another invasion of the Falkland Islands, or if a warship could be despatched to Gibraltar if the Spanish start playing silly beggars again. I guess you might think we should give the Falklands and Gibraltar back to Argentina and Spain respectively anyway, in which case, fair play for being honest again.
Or, much like we do now with Nato/UN/International task forces in invasions such as Iraq/Afghan, an EU army could be a taskforce and we retain the British army under this operational structure.

Since you have no idea how an EU army would look or operate, how about you wait and see some actual proposals, rather than the headline grabbing soundbites?
 
Despite his undiplomatic stance, the supply and demand argument does have some substance at least in London and the surrounding areas. Rents are increasing at a staggering rate. Immigration to be fair does play some part but so does the property investment market which needs to be addressed!

The problem with the housing market primarily stems from two factors: (1) a failure to build and (2) a failure to regulate effectively. It's true that immigration places pressure on housing, but this isn't the core issue here. I'm more concerned about the steady flow of foreign money buying up London housing as an investment, in particular the corrupt and dirty money flowing out of Russia.
 
A variety of different renewable with windfarms and solar farms geographically spread can provide a large part of the UK's energy requirements at lower costs than nuclear.

The problem with that though is that is't cheaper because it's not as good. Nuclear is a primary source of energy generation, wind is a supplementary source,you cannot make it a primary source with todays technology because the majority of the time it's not generating any power.


Furthermore, nuclear is not even any better than advanced NG with carbon capture technology.

Could this somehow be because we have spent the last quarter century advancing NG tech and doing the square root of nothing with nuclear? It's a mute point because while our country sits around ignorantly moaning about Chernobyl/Fukushima and pouring money into immature renewable technology other countries like India are advancing nuclear, the upside is we can do none of the work and in 15-20 years we can license the tech from them and scrap out our windmills (which as a plan isn't entirely bad).


Beyond all that you can't get away form the the fact that nuclear power generates radioactive waste which is dangerous is expensive to look after and will be with us for generations to come with incurring costs.

Modern plant designs can actually consume this waste for us.


I guess you might think we should give the Falklands and Gibraltar back to Argentina and Spain respectively

We can't do that as Argentina never owned he Falklands (prior to invasion in the 80's).
 
You of course have proof that this was a BBC conspiracy and not an independently picked audience?

The audience was from London, which is not in favour of UKip, the independent organisation is the same one that the the Guardian polls which are leftwing.

You do the maths.
 
Why would it be bias because most of the audience didn't like UKIP?.

At the moment they are hovering at about 13/15% of the vote share, which means 85%+ of the population don't care for UKIP, all studies also show they are the most disliked (across the board political party).

General hostility & disagreement to UKIP should be expected.
 
I wonder what the chances is that Cameron will stop being such a big coward and face Miliband in the debate? Mind you, after the first debate you can see why he doesn't have the stone for it.
 
"They"? Way to over-misrepresent the article. What you actually mean is that in this case, one high profile person in that article has said he wants an EU army, along with the German Defence minister, and this is not a position change or anything new for Juncker.

What's changed is that Juncker is now President of the Euopean Commission. We all know that what Germany wants Germany gets when it comes to the EU and that British opinions count for nought so yeah, I think most reasonable people can see where this is heading...
 
The audience was from London, which is not in favour of UKip, the independent organisation is the same one that the the Guardian polls which are leftwing.

You do the maths.

But UKIP are polling around 10-15% at the moment, meaning 85%-90% don't support them.

If you translate that to a studio audience of say 300 people, that's only 45 at most who would be in support of them.

As you say, do the maths
 
The audience was from London, which is not in favour of UKip, the independent organisation is the same one that the the Guardian polls which are leftwing.

The level of conspiracy theory paranoia and reality denial from UKIP supporters is astonishing.

The polling company you are talking about is ICM Research which also does polls for The Sunday Telegraph are you going to accuse them of being leftwing too?

Polling companies are invested in very little other than accurate predictions and ICM has a solid reputation on this front.
 
What's changed is that Juncker is now President of the Euopean Commission. We all know that what Germany wants Germany gets when it comes to the EU and that British opinions count for nought so yeah, I think most reasonable people can see where this is heading...

Maybe if we voted for MEPs who actually turned up, voted and cared about a subject rather than turning their backs on it, our opinion in Europe would be more respected.
 
Why would it be bias because most of the audience didn't like UKIP?.

At the moment they are hovering at about 13/15% of the vote share, which means 85%+ of the population don't care for UKIP, all studies also show they are the most disliked (across the board political party).

General hostility & disagreement to UKIP should be expected.

Eh? How about actually send out a survey to people then contact them afterwards asking if they want to attend? Not hard is it
 
What's changed is that Juncker is now President of the Euopean Commission. We all know that what Germany wants Germany gets when it comes to the EU and that British opinions count for nought so yeah, I think most reasonable people can see where this is heading...

How exactly do you expect the EU to make Britain sign up to an EU army if we don't want to?
 
The audience was from London, which is not in favour of UKip, the independent organisation is the same one that the the Guardian polls which are leftwing.

You do the maths.

I'll repeat, other than your pointless conspiracy theory, unless you've got evidence we'll take it as an audience appointed by an independent body.
 
What's changed is that Juncker is now President of the Euopean Commission. We all know that what Germany wants Germany gets when it comes to the EU and that British opinions count for nought so yeah, I think most reasonable people can see where this is heading...

Ah I see, so a positional change for Juncker gives your unfounded fears more credibility does it?

Again, I'll wait and see until anything is actually proposed. I've nothing ostensibly against a further extension of the taskforce style work we do now, anything else to which Britain can simply refuse.
 
Why would it be bias because most of the audience didn't like UKIP?.

At the moment they are hovering at about 13/15% of the vote share, which means 85%+ of the population don't care for UKIP, all studies also show they are the most disliked (across the board political party).

General hostility & disagreement to UKIP should be expected.

You'd expect that most Tory supporters would be more accomodating for Farage. There's no way that audience was 50% (~35% Tory, ~15% UKIP) right-leaning.
 
Maybe if we voted for MEPs who actually turned up, voted and cared about a subject rather than turning their backs on it, our opinion in Europe would be more respected.

Yup. Sending pointless UKIP MEPs who ignore their job really isn't helping.

But a bigger problem is how utterly incompetent Cameron has been in Europe; from the very first - with his insane decision to pull the Tories out of the largest right wing block - he's repeatedly failed to build the alliances he needs.

For example, had he not pulled the Tories out of the EPP he could have blocked Juncker before there was even a vote.
 
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