Transexual using female changing rooms?

Soundood · 12 May 2015 at 17:56

no one has said it yet,

I would

tbyeah · 12 May 2015 at 18:02

Soundood said:
no one has said it yet,

I would

Because no-one here would!

Thekwango · 12 May 2015 at 18:33

semi-pro waster said:
Why would you need to segregate based on sexuality? If it's a sexual attraction thing then ask yourself whether you are attracted to every single person of the gender that floats your boat? And if you are then do you take action about every one of them? If the answer to the last question is anything but no then a) I have no idea how you found the time and b) I didn't realise they allowed unrestricted access to the internet in prison but good to know that these forums really do have a wide spread of contributors.

At the distinct risk of stating the obvious - it's almost inconceivably rare for people to show no discrimination at all in who they are attracted to and that applies whether they are heterosexual, homosexual or neither. There is absolutely no reason to assume that you are any more attractive to someone of the same sex than to someone of the opposite sex or that just by being in your presence that they will be unable to resist your sheer unbridled magnetism and that this person will throw themselves at you despite all attempts to discourage them. If on the other hand you are constantly bothered by unwanted attention from both sexes then you have my condolences and feel free to ignore the above.

In relation to the original post - I did actually read the article and it seems like an issue of inadequate training there since the manager confirmed that in store a transgender individual should be able to use whichever changing room makes them feel comfortable. As a general principle it seems both fair and reasonable that transgender individuals use the changing rooms for the gender they identify with - the number who will then abuse that is likely to be vanishingly small and they can be dealt with as appropriate but there's no need to take what is a difficult subject and something which causes considerable emotion trauma for people and assume that all will cause problems. It's also worth pointing out that they could well have body issues as part of their transition so there's a fair chance they'd choose a cubicle if it's offered which entirely negates the issue.

apologies, my post was meant as a bit tongue in cheek. but to reply to some of your question/statements,

Why would you need to segregate based on sexuality?

surely we already do....male and female separate changing rooms, not purely down to sexuality but it certainly is a factor.

At the distinct risk of stating the obvious - it's almost inconceivably rare for people to show no discrimination at all in who they are attracted to and that applies whether they are heterosexual, homosexual or neither.

of course not, I'm not attracted to every woman I see and I don't expect every woman that looks at me is attracted to me (though they'd be a fool not to be

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There is absolutely no reason to assume that you are any more attractive to someone of the same sex than to someone of the opposite sex or that just by being in your presence that they will be unable to resist your sheer unbridled magnetism and that this person will throw themselves at you despite all attempts to discourage them.

not sure where my post gave the impression that I thought a homosexual man/woman in same sex changing rooms were going to start throwing themselves at any and all nekkid body they see? :confused:

let me ask a question, genuine this time......

if someone is, i'll use the word generally attracted to the same sex as the room they are changing in, is it ok for them to be there?

if you answer yes, then I assume you have no issues with a male changing in a ladies changing room as long as there is no one in there they are specifically attracted to, converse is true for women in a mens changing room???

if the answer is no, then your post for the most part is irrelevant

Edrof · 12 May 2015 at 18:36

Terminal_Boy said:
How about having 3 changing rooms?

Men, Women and Other.

I absolutely read that as 'men, women and otter.'

Malevolence · 12 May 2015 at 18:38

That's not a woman, that's a bloke in make-up and a dress. Little wonder they ushered him to the male dressing rooms.

Devrij · 12 May 2015 at 18:39

Why bother separating everyone by gender anyway? Why is it such a big deal? Perhaps we should examine why we feel uncomfortable changing in front of the opposite sex?

Thekwango · 12 May 2015 at 18:46

Edrof said:
I absolutely read that as 'men, women and otter.'

Devrij said:
Why bother separating everyone by gender anyway? Why is it such a big deal? Perhaps we should examine why we feel uncomfortable changing in front of the opposite sex?

because it's how we have been brought up.......we're taught to cover our bodies and hide them, for varying reasons. just how it is I suppose, not saying it's right but that's how it is

SexyGreyFox · 12 May 2015 at 19:27

There are Trannys and then there are Trannys

koolpc · 12 May 2015 at 19:40

We had a lecturer at Uni that was known as Kath when his real name was keith. The secretaries said that they could tell when he used the ladies toilets as the seats were always left up!!

ins0mn1ac · 12 May 2015 at 19:49

That dude ain't fooling anyone, imagine how other women might have reacted in the fitting rooms with their children, good on the assistant imo and I bet the assistant wasn't as rude as this guy/woman makes out. As usual Primark big wigs will have to bend over and payout in some kind of good will gesture that's all it's about really!

Primark staff will also offer disabled fitting rooms to nursing parents or parents that want to change their babys nappy, that's not implying there's a disability it's just helping an awkward situation for both the shopper and customers!

esoteric · 12 May 2015 at 19:49

As long as our changing rooms are split then use the gender you are born with.

Devrij · 12 May 2015 at 19:51

Thekwango said:
because it's how we have been brought up.......we're taught to cover our bodies and hide them, for varying reasons. just how it is I suppose, not saying it's right but that's how it is

Maybe it's time to reevaluate that cultural hangover if we have gotten to a point where it doesn't make sense. Not sure how you would go about it, but when you step outside of your own culture and ask why it is that it's not okay for someone to see a specific part of your body, it can seem absurd. Like why is the female nipple forbidden? I've got nipples but I can show them off in public. It makes no sense.

We give all of this meaning, so we can change that meaning in theory.

Thekwango · 12 May 2015 at 20:09

Devrij said:
Maybe it's time to reevaluate that cultural hangover if we have gotten to a point where it doesn't make sense. Not sure how you would go about it, but when you step outside of your own culture and ask why it is that it's not okay for someone to see a specific part of your body, it can seem absurd. Like why is the female nipple forbidden? I've got nipples but I can show them off in public. It makes no sense.

We give all of this meaning, so we can change that meaning in theory.

it is mainly down to the sexualisation of the human body as a result of culture media and religion

as you point out...
male nipple not sexual
female nipple sexual

it's as a result of good knows how many years/decades/centuries of such beliefs/ways of life. sadly I don't see it changing any time soon. that said, I'd rather not live in a society where there's bob from next door hanging out his washing with his schlong swinging in the wind

esoteric · 12 May 2015 at 20:10

Devrij said:
Like why is the female nipple forbidden? I've got nipples but I can show them off in public. It makes no sense.

Because on a woman those nipples are attached to a sexual organ. In this country we cover our sex biased organs. In probably every country if the world if you touch someone in a sexual way you'll be done for it as a sex offender.

Tefal · 12 May 2015 at 20:12

she could have at least made an effort ironical the gender clinic would have asked her "why are you presenting as male" if she turned up for a session dressed like that.

V F · 12 May 2015 at 20:13

doofer said:
Not really fooling anyone that is it?

These threads truly are frightening me.

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Akagi · 12 May 2015 at 20:15

I have seen plenty of men who identify as men who look more like women than she does... Which is unfortunate for her. :/

I say her and she, as I assume that she is serious about her transgenderism.

Though doing so is making me cringe a little.

Thekwango · 12 May 2015 at 20:17

esoteric said:
Because on a woman those nipples are attached to a sexual organ. In this country we cover our sex biased organs. In probably every country if the world if you touch someone in a sexual way you'll be done for it as a sex offender.

In what way is a female breast a sexual organ?? It in no way aids, other than visually thanks to our perceptions, sexual reproduction.

V F · 12 May 2015 at 20:22

What a state society has become.

esoteric · 12 May 2015 at 20:27

Thekwango said:
In what way is a female breast a sexual organ?? It in no way aids, other than visually thanks to our perceptions, sexual reproduction.

The part where women have breasts and men don't. I used sexual as an identifier between a man and a woman, then used sex biased the next sentence. A breast is an organ, therefore it's a sexual organ?

I didn't say it was a reproductive sexual organ.