Ur kid is 2 fat

[FnG]magnolia;28048832 said:
I don't think this is a typical modern western diet or was your point that the child in the OP suffered from an abundance of processed food?

e: didn't realise that we were getting into the spoffle / BMI argument again. It's like someone already made a predictive post about Groundhog Day.
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the spoffle comment sorry you have one on me there but just look in most if not all supermarkets and they sell a lot of processed food which most people purchase their food from imo
 
I heard recently from a friend that in Singapore they used to measure your BMI in primary school and if you were over, they'd put you in the fat club and make you run during break. She had it for one term and that was it! Very effective!

BB x
 
pooley said:
the spoffle comment sorry you have one on me there but just look in most if not all supermarkets and they sell a lot of processed food which most people purchase their food from imo
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spoffle has very specific views on the validity and appropriate use of BMI figures, that's all.

Supermarkets do sell a lot of processed food but I don't think that defines a country's diet and it certainly doesn't restrict the consumer to only eat this type of food. I take your point that easy and quick food might make sense to a large part of the Western demographic, I'm just not sure it indicates that this is what they do eat.
 
[FnG]magnolia;28048890 said:
spoffle has very specific views on the validity and appropriate use of BMI figures, that's all.

Supermarkets do sell a lot of processed food but I don't think that defines a country's diet and it certainly doesn't restrict the consumer to only eat this type of food. I take your point that easy and quick food might make sense to a large part of the Western demographic, I'm just not sure it indicates that this is what they do eat.
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fwiw not sold on bmi myself.

just imo of course but they do look like average joe family who like most of us buy their foodstuffs from these big chain supermarkets and where profit comes first
 
[FnG]magnolia;28048890 said:
spoffle has very specific views on the validity and appropriate use of BMI figures, that's all.

Supermarkets do sell a lot of processed food but I don't think that defines a country's diet and it certainly doesn't restrict the consumer to only eat this type of food. I take your point that easy and quick food might make sense to a large part of the Western demographic, I'm just not sure it indicates that this is what they do eat.
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They're not that specific, I just object to the notion that you can determine whether a person is healthy or not based on something as simple as BMI.

I wouldn't have as much issue with it if it was used as an extremely loose guideline, but unfortunately, it isn't. Which means you have people, like in this thread that think if your BMI is higher than what it "should" be, then you're unhealthy.

Or that anyone beyond a certain arbitrary weight, is definitely unhealthy for being the weight they are.
 
pooley said:
fwiw not sold on bmi myself.

just imo of course but they do look like average joe family who like most of us buy their foodstuffs from these big chain supermarkets and where profit comes first
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The problem isn't necessarily "processed" food in and of itself, but rather that people just don't have a clue what they're doing in general when it comes to food.

People still think low fat food = healthy automatically across the board, and that dietary fat = body fat, so avoid it in all forms.

Or that "salad" is automatically healthy because, well it's salad. Ignoring the sugar laden dressing and crap added to it.

Too many people buy and exist on mostly ready meals, and even if you're not overweight from them, you're still not going to be healthy if that's the sort of stuff you're living on.

These sorts of people think that cooking is putting stuff in the oven or microwave.
 
Your local greengrocer and butcher will be just as concerned (probably more so, actually) with profit than the big chains. It does bug me when we as consumers shrug off our responsibility in the need to keep our kids and friends and the larger society healthy by focusing on the Sainsbury's and the Tesco's of this world and saying that our problem is their making. It's just not true.

We have choice and we're lucky to have that. If you don't want to fill your kid with food types which contain additives or [insert thing] you don't agree with then fine. That's good. That's what responsible, accountable people do. Don't do it!

But don't assume or, worse, pretend that you can only eat what Mr Aldi says you can eat and that there is no other way of doing it. Don't blame Mrs Tesco because you want to put pies in your stomach and they offer them as one of thousands of other choices you could have better made.
 
spoffle said:
Did you look at the link? The kid is certainly not a "bloater" by any stretch of the imagination.
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I wasn't suggesting he was - just that a letter saying your kid's a lard-ass doesn't seem especially politically correct to me, and certainly not "political correctness gone mad".
 
spoffle said:
The problem isn't necessarily "processed" food in and of itself, but rather that people just don't have a clue what they're doing in general when it comes to food.

People still think low fat food = healthy automatically across the board, and that dietary fat = body fat, so avoid it in all forms.

Or that "salad" is automatically healthy because, well it's salad. Ignoring the sugar laden dressing and crap added to it.

Too many people buy and exist on mostly ready meals, and even if you're not overweight from them, you're still not going to be healthy if that's the sort of stuff you're living on.

These sorts of people think that cooking is putting stuff in the oven or microwave.
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marketing spiel and apathy make this a reality

[FnG]magnolia;28048952 said:
Your local greengrocer and butcher will be just as concerned (probably more so, actually) with profit than the big chains. It does bug me when we as consumers shrug off our responsibility in the need to keep our kids and friends and the larger society healthy by focusing on the Sainsbury's and the Tesco's of this world and saying that our problem is their making. It's just not true.

We have choice and we're lucky to have that. If you don't want to fill your kid with food types which contain additives or [insert thing] you don't agree with then fine. That's good. That's what responsible, accountable people do. Don't do it!

But don't assume or, worse, pretend that you can only eat what Mr Aldi says you can eat and that there is no other way of doing it. Don't blame Mrs Tesco because you want to put pies in your stomach and they offer them as one of thousands of other choices you could have better made.
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i agree, again apathy on the part of us we the people.
 
BMI is fine for the general population, it does throw a few outliers out every now and again but that doesn't mean it's not useful. Yes body fat % is a better measure but it's harder to measure than a quick calculation using height, age and weight.
 
I swear reading these threads actually make me dumber.

How can you people discuss the same crap every few weeks?

Am i just outgrowing morons? Surely not ?
 
MikeTheNative said:
BMI is fine for the general population, it does throw a few outliers out every now and again but that doesn't mean it's not useful. Yes body fat % is a better measure but it's harder to measure than a quick calculation using height, age and weight.
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This is the issue, it isn't just the outliers, at all. Also a visual inspection is more use than BMI. You'd get much less instances of people being labeled overweight or obese because these numbers say so.
 
Efour said:
I swear reading these threads actually make me dumber.

How can you people discuss the same crap every few weeks?

Am i just outgrowing morons? Surely not ?
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Because some people continue to believe stuff that isn't true.

Why are you putting spaces before question marks, then calling other people morons?
 
MikeTheNative said:
BMI is fine for the general population, it does throw a few outliers out every now and again but that doesn't mean it's not useful. Yes body fat % is a better measure but it's harder to measure than a quick calculation using height, age and weight.
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This.

If someone has a lot of muscle mass, the results will be skewed, but most people aren't built, so BMI works fine.

No need to discard a system just because it doesn't catch every single person.
 
If putting a space between end sentence and question, and other actions around that level, makes you a moron... I'm pretty sure everyone here has commited as awful a crime as that at some point.
 
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