Finnish man fined £83,000 for speeding because he earns £10.1 million

Orionaut said:
Anybody who thinks a six month prison sentence for a middle class professional earning 6 figures is an equivalent punishment to somebody on the minimum wage is seriously deluded. :p

If we are advocating differential fines one way, we should also be advocating differential prison terms for more serious offences the other.

Are the advocates of differential fining willing to go there though? :/
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Interesting point - dowie and Tefal have tackled it from one angle which is that it will kill the career of the middle class person but there may also be a corollary point, if we assume that the higher the persons pay the less able someone else is to do the job (based on the capitalist theory that you get paid what you are worth and that there are a limited number of people able to do certain jobs) then it is also possible the middle class person will have their career put on hold because the company cannot easily replace them while it is assumed that someone on minimum wage can be replaced easily. As elmarko alluded to the middle class person is more likely have savings to fall back on. So perhaps you're right and prison sentences should be longer the more you earn... ;)

I'm obviously not being entirely serious but then nor is the point raised - it will very much depend on individual circumstances how it affects people so the best we can do is try to make it as fair as possible.

An Exception said:
But isn't that just another incentive for people to be productive/successful and contribute to society. If we take away all the perks to being rich, we might as well be communist and all be lazy.
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If being able to break the law with effective impunity because you're productive/successful (as an aside it's arguably a bit fallacious to have an assumption that income directly bears on how useful a member of society you are) is an incentive then surely you've got to start questioning how the incentives and indeed punishments are working?
 
BuffetSlayer said:
So would driving slower.

So would less cars on the road.

So would better driving standards.

So would better road quality.

So would more Police patrol cars.

Oh and brakes are already very good and on most modern cars have reduced their breaking distance considerably below what the highway code stipulates.

Yet still we have thousands of people a year dying on our roads.

Ergo - the problem will not be fixed by simply having better brakes.
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The problem will never be fixed as long as there are casualties. The point being however is road accidents are reducing year on year without the aid of speed cameras. Better brakes would make a big difference, I know as when I upgraded my coopers S brakes, the difference is night and day. So many accidents could be avoided if cars stopped quicker.

Yes allot of those other things you mentioned would also contribute, but with the population increasing rapidly, is it really practical to expect less cars on the road? Does anyone actually want to driver slower than they already are? Do people really want to pay the high bill for extra traffic police. Better roads is an area that I think everyone would agree does need to be resolved.
 
hyperseven said:
source?
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You can find one if you know how to use google. I'm not being difficult, it's just my source was a TV program from a few years ago. The area you probably want to look at is the tax contributed into the system vs the benefit's received. The higher earners in society contribute the most tax revenue but claim the least from the state.
 
semi-pro waster said:
If being able to break the law with effective impunity because you're productive/successful (as an aside it's arguably a bit fallacious to have an assumption that income directly bears on how useful a member of society you are) is an incentive then surely you've got to start questioning how the incentives and indeed punishments are working?
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I'm not suggesting that. We already have a points system that is fair already.
 
An Exception said:
You can find one if you know how to use google. I'm not being difficult, it's just my source was a TV program from a few years ago. The area you probably want to look at is the tax contributed into the system vs the benefit's received. The higher earners in society contribute the most tax revenue but claim the least from the state.
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I thought they were all using loopholes and offshore companies to pay as a percentage less tax than your average joe
 
arknor said:
I didn't realise only monetary contributions so society count

most middle and upper management are just parasites leeching off the real workers they could disappear over night and the world would carry on producing goods.
if all the minimum wage disappeared over night the country would grind to a halt

Just because someone is doing a crap job doesn't make them worthless and without value like you seem to think.
who are the people volunteering at charities and groups around their areas? doubt it's the rich trying to make a difference in the community.


Judging thing this forum they are to busy crying about their neighbours parking
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Ahahahaha, no human please carry on. That is quality material right there.

1. The world would not keep producing goods. This is false.
2. People who do a crap job are useless.
3. People who do volunteer work are nto as good as they make out to be. Leaving out the people who do it to increase their social status online, the people who do start doing volunteer work end up taking away the jobs for someone who needed the work. This is worse overseas.

Edit, oops, read the post as if you're crap at your job not if you're in a crap job.
 
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smokedog said:
Ridiculous idea and sets a bad precedent, just a way to milk more money. Rich gets fined more if they are more successful in life.

There is a points system, accumulate too many point you get banned, simples.
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Depends how you look at it, the system is designed so they pay the same, not the same value but proportionate to what they earn which technically will effect them both equally.

I think it's fair, for somebody who earns £10 million a year a small fine won't mean anything or deter them one bit.
 
It's more than fair. In the UK you can get 6 points and a max £1000 fine (if you are a top earner) for speeding i.e. over 50 in a 30. £83k is less than 1% of what he earns per year so it's well deserved IMO. He won't be driving like that again for a while.
 
arknor said:
I didn't realise only monetary contributions so society count

most middle and upper management are just parasites leeching off the real workers they could disappear over night and the world would carry on producing goods.
if all the minimum wage disappeared over night the country would grind to a halt

Just because someone is doing a crap job doesn't make them worthless and without value like you seem to think.
who are the people volunteering at charities and groups around their areas? doubt it's the rich trying to make a difference in the community.


Judging thing this forum they are to busy crying about their neighbours parking
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pepsilol said:
Ahahahaha, no human please carry on. That is quality material right there.

1. The world would not keep producing goods. This is false.
2. People who do a crap job are useless.
3. People who do volunteer work are nto as good as they make out to be. Leaving out the people who do it to increase their social status online, the people who do start doing volunteer work end up taking away the jobs for someone who needed the work. This is worse overseas.
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LOL.
 
panthro said:
LOL.
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lol indeed its freaking insane how people have such varying opinions on society. Worthless if you have a bad job lol jesus wept.... Only if you contribute more tax are you of ANY worth to society.... This is like the mind of a 10 year old. :D

I cant even tell if pepsilol is beign Ironic.. These days the Social misfits on this forum have such an horrific view on others.:p

I thought the guy was a chav that made good (financially) from selling fast cars? :p

Its like all the Essex chavs that work in City... All ****s but all extremely well paid because they deal with extremely, incredibly large amounts of money and take a slither %. The ones i know are Morons.. Incredibly rich Morons :P lol
 
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Misread his post :o

Regardless arknor just comes off as someone who is jealous because other people are in better positions than him. Green eyes and all that.
 
Jealousy excuse crops up so much in this discussion. Like every 10 posts someone says it on average. I think that's how "you lot" think and just imprint it on others because that's just how your brains tick... Just an observation.
 
Only because there is no other logical explanation....

Why else would someone flat out hate all upper management and claim them to be parasites leaching off the "real hard workers.."

It clearly stinks of someone who thinks they're the 'hard worker' working at the bottom of the pile.
 
pepsilol said:
Only because there is no other logical explanation....

Why else would someone flat out hate all upper management and claim them to be parasites leaching off the "real hard workers.."

It clearly stinks of someone who thinks they're the 'hard worker' working at the bottom of the pile.
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Well if you apply it to the NHS or Civil service for example it can be easily demonstrated as true.

Excess layers of management. Just a Marxist state of mind ! :P

Practically every " i don't know what to do at work" thread is someone moaning about their boss' incompetence. It seems to be a pretty common thing. Lots of mouthy or connected idiots get good jobs over better, good people.
 
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pepsilol said:
Misread his post :o

Regardless arknor just comes off as someone who is jealous because other people are in better positions than him. Green eyes and all that.
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I'm not as poor as this forum seems to think from my views on society..
I'm not rich I am just happy to live comfortably within my means.

Just randomly bought a forum member dirt rally yesterday oh how poor and bitter I must be
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=28091865#post28091865

£26 must be about half my job seekers allowance or about 5 hours of my minimum wage job :rolleyes:, actually had people accuse me of not working on here before based on my views :D

In this country if anything the poor are under valued and are not rewarded enough for their contributions to society which some of us do appreciate.

You can all look down on the minimum wage workers like they are worthless scum, I'll carry on seeing them as respectful contributing members of society that don't get the recognition or the wages they deserve which is why the government has to subsidise the companies wages with housing benefit partial payments, tax credits etc


pepsilol said:
Only because there is no other logical explanation....

Why else would someone flat out hate all upper management and claim them to be parasites leaching off the "real hard workers.."

It clearly stinks of someone who thinks they're the 'hard worker' working at the bottom of the pile.
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I never said ALL
most middle and upper management are just parasites
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