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Marine-RX179 said:
Nvidia does seem to be a much better poker player than AMD.

With the 980Ti announced at only £550, if one didn't know better they would think Nvidia is trying to finish off AMD for good.
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This won't be popular... They are better poker players but its not only AMD they are playing against. They have made a cut down top tier part sell for what was flagship money pre Kepler and made it seem great value.
 
I don't know why so many people insist AMD need to be cheap. If the products are superior then it can be positioned as such. AMD need to consider their investment or perhaps lack of in certain areas like driver support and judge the worth of that support. They may decide to come in cheaper, but all this talk of a card being better than a Titan X but being charged for 100’s of pounds less is a little naïve imo.

AMD have lost market share because their cards have been weaker or at the very least that’s the perception. So, what should they do? Make better cards and market themselves better. Easy 
 
The Titan X pricing was a joke aided by no competition. You can see this by the recent price drop and the introduction of a card today at several hundred pounds less that gives the same performance.

AMD aren't going to be able to pitch a product at Titan X pricing without a very good reason. Nvidia aren't going to be able to shift Titan X's at Titan X pricing either.
 
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The Titan X pricing was a joke aided by no competition. You can see this by the recent price drop and the introduction of a card today at several hundred pounds less that gives the same performance.

AMD aren't going to be able to pitch a product at Titan X pricing without a very good reason. Nvidia aren't going to be able to shift Titan X's at Titan X pricing either.
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Thats assuming Fury has no performance advantage over the TX, i think they could sell it at around £550/£600 as a faster card.
 
There's a reason why Nvidia suddenly dropped the 980 Ti just before the Radeon 3** series launch ;)

It's funny to see people lapping it up and purchasing them though, the smart money is playing the waiting game and seeing what AMD have on the way.
 
eddyr said:
This won't be popular... They are better poker players but its not only AMD they are playing against. They have made a cut down top tier part sell for what was flagship money pre Kepler and made it seem great value.
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I agree with you entirely if we are talkng about the GTX780 back then, as it was like at the same price as the 980Ti is now, but was only around 30% or so faster than the 680 and 7970; the 980Ti on the other hand is around 66-90% faster than the 290x, so at the £550 price point it is fairly appealing. It is probably the closest we to a 2nd coming of the 8800GTX/Ultra for the pass decade (though there was of course the 5850/5870 as well).

The biggest thing against the 780 back then was not that because it priced at £550, but more to do with it's little performance increase over the previous gen flagship doesn't justify the price.
 
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TaKeN said:
There's a reason why Nvidia suddenly dropped the 980 Ti just before the Radeon 3** series launch ;)

It's funny to see people lapping it up and purchasing them though, the smart money is playing the waiting game and seeing what AMD have on the way.
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The reason is that it was ready and they don't have an entire range launch they can just do as they please.

Titan X sold so well 980ti is selling well Everyone is happy.


AMD will be out soon enough and we will have some clarity from all the rumours soon I hope. Getting mighty annoying reading different things all over the shop.
 
290X - 970 <4%
290X - 980 <15%
290X - 980TI <42%
290X - TX <45%

290X: 2816 GCN 1.1 Shaders @ 1000Mhz

Fury: 4096 (+45%) GCN1.2? Shaders (+10%) @ 1150Mhz (+15%) HBM (+?%)
 
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Marine-RX179 said:
I agree with you entirely if we are talkng about the GTX780 back then, as it was like at the same price as the 980Ti is now, but was only around 30% or so faster than the 680 and 7970; the 980Ti on the other hand is around 66-90% faster than the 290x, so at the £550 price point it is fairly appealing. It is probably the closest we to a 2nd coming of the 8800GTX/Ultra for the pass decade (though there was of course the 5850/5870 as well).

The biggest thing against the 780 back then was not that because it priced at £550, but more to do with it's little performance increase over the previous gen flagship doesn't justify the price.
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I meant playing us the consumer (rather than themselves) although I did leave it a little ambiguous!

I imagine those 66-90% are extreme outliers/anomalies. On average the 980ti only looks 23-29% faster than the GTX980 and 38-42% faster than the 290X res and review depending. Not seen anything like 60% let alone 90%!
 
northwestdakota said:
I don't know why so many people insist AMD need to be cheap. If the products are superior then it can be positioned as such. AMD need to consider their investment or perhaps lack of in certain areas like driver support and judge the worth of that support. They may decide to come in cheaper, but all this talk of a card being better than a Titan X but being charged for 100’s of pounds less is a little naïve imo.

AMD have lost market share because their cards have been weaker or at the very least that’s the perception. So, what should they do? Make better cards and market themselves better. Easy 
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Marketing =/= Product quality.

There have been countless number of companies that have gone out of business with plenty of great products.

They could make the best cards in the world but without good marketing behind them, the product line would flop. To us enthusiasts its all about the best card as we check benchmarks and over think on the specs but to the average consumer which makes up the vast majority of AMDs customers, they want support, reliability and a good bargain.

Funny that every other person in this forum seems to be in the opinion that AMD are doing this and that wrong and believe the answer is so simple that they can draw a conclusion from just falling figures and their own opinion on the cards. Really, we make just a small fraction of AMDs target market and drawing any sort of conclusion based on your opinion on the brand only reflects what AMD can do to improve for YOU, not for their customer base in general, which is what matters. AMD/Nvidia/Intel would have absolutely no problem alienating a small portion of their market if it netted them much bigger numbers at the end of the year (an example would be when Intel stopped producing unlocked i3s, upsetting a few enthusiasts).

So have AMD lost market share because the card is weaker or is perceived weaker?

Or have you lost confidence in AMD as a company because you don't perceive their cards are as powerful as the rest and that's the reason why you think market share has fallen?
 
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