Dog Eating Festival

A.N.Other · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:21

Hunders said:
I'm not particularly opposed to the actual eating of dogs. However, I am strongly against the brutal nature of the way the dogs are stored, transported, treated and killed.

'Nuff said.

Cosimo · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:21

I fancy a nice horse steak for dinner tonight.

Glaucus · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:21

oh look cute furry syndrome, these protestors make me sick. Bunch of hypocrites usually.

We eat many animals, dog is no different to anything else. It's all fair game or non of it's fair game. Cute fluffy syndrome can not be defended.

Glaucus · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:22

MookJong said:
The treatment of the animal is all that matters, not what type of animal you are eating.

Pigs are far more intelligent.
Squid are also extremely intelligent and can puzzle solve to a high degree.

thebennyboy said:
I don't disagree with eating dog meat, i do however have a serious problem with how they are kept and then killed.

You can say that about any animal including humans over in china, there's zero reason to single out dogs.

~>Dg<~ · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:26

thebennyboy said:
I don't disagree with eating dog meat, i do however have a serious problem with how they are kept and then killed.

most people just see cute dog image in brain.they just treat them like we do chicken.

in reality most mass production or animals are kept in sub par ways.

cheesyboy · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:28

robfosters said:
Do the animals we eat experience fear to the level dogs and cats do?

Of course.

Maybe not chickens, though. Very hardy, and stupid, animals.

Avenged7Fold · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:31

Thinking Cats and dogs experience pain and fear differently to the animals we eat is just you humanizing your pets and desensitizing you from your food. It is natural but factually wrong.

Avenged7Fold · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:32

Okay would you rather Hug him or eat him:

Mark A · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:33

Avenged7Fold said:
You're right, Chinese people are evil.

Yeah that's what I said :rolleyes:

. Skinning animals alive is barbaric and cruel. Are you going to deny this happens? I'd link you some videos of it, but they are not family friendly.

There are also countless videos of people getting ran over and left laying in the street with people just walking past them. One of the videos a little toddler gets knocked over and cars just drive around or even over. I know you can't tar all with the same brush, but these videos are far too frequent for it to be a one off. It happens a lot. I have heard excuses for it that it is down to the fact if you help someone who is injured you are responsible for their medical costs, but who thinks about that when there is an injured kid in the road that needs help?

Captain Fizz · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:33

As long as they are looked after / well treated - All good.
Unfortunately that is not the case for a large proportion.

Why I like UK meat. Well looked after in general.

6 Minute clip about food, from preparation -> obesity.
Note - If bothered by meat processing, don't watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k56NBsZXjr8

From a film which is very pretty:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770802/
(It is a PG-13 so think it's safe for these forums)

peige · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:33

Chinese people abiding by Chinese laws and traditions, what right have we to enforce our views on them?

How many problems are caused in the world by westerns charging round trying inflict our own ideals on others. Leave them to do what they want, if the Chinese themselves what to change it then it will happen but we have no business telling them what to do.

Even human rights have boundaries of applicability in the world.

Avenged7Fold · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:39

Mark A said:
Yeah that's what I said . Skinning animals alive is barbaric and cruel. Are you going to deny this happens? I'd link you some videos of it, but they are not family friendly.

There are also countless videos of people getting ran over and left laying in the street with people just walking past them. One of the videos a little toddler gets knocked over and cars just drive around or ever over. I know you can't tar all with the same brush, but these videos are far too frequent for it to be a one off. It happens a lot. I have heard excuses for it that it is down to the fact if you help someone who is injured you are responsible for their medical costs, but who thinks about that when there is an injured kid in the road that needs help?

I don't deny it happens, i just don't like how you generalise them as barbaric and say Chinese people have 0 compassion for humans. Tell me, how many Chinese people do you know and how many of them skin dogs and cats and leave the dead lying in the dust behind their cars as they drive off?

Calling Chinese people very barbaric and inhumane for what a fraction do to dogs is bigoted. You are generalising Chinese people based on your ludicrous examples 'Chinese acts' as the norm for China.

dowie · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:41

Avenged7Fold said:
There is much more regulation here, however it is to do more with keeping things clean, organised and disease free rather than in favour of animals well being.

I'm talking about regulation over how the animals are killed as well as how they're kept

Considering what i have seen, i don't think the animals would prefer the conditions of a battery farm over the Chinese equivalent.

battery farms don't exist over here any more, chickens can be quite cramped in a barn but it doesn't compare to how these dogs and cats are squashed together in tiny cages

Tell me, what makes the average Japanese and French person 'as bad' as the average Chinese person when it comes to animal cruelty. A fair bit of generalising and assuming going on here. The average Japanese person would think us sick for the hunting of foxes with dogs, despite only a small minority wanting to practice it.

Hunting foxes with dogs is illegal and nothing to do with food or the 'average' British person for that matter.

The Japanese are probably the worst as far as sadistic dishes are concerned but the Chinese easily come a close second and the French are pretty bad too.

No assuming going on here just opinion of what is cruel - I think force feeding ducks is cruel, I think gouging the eyes out of a little bird and then rearing it blind so it fattens itself up and can be eaten as a delicacy is cruel.... And that is just the French.

For the Chinese we have 'Feng Gan Ji' type it into google tis probably too graphic to post here - basically live chickens have their guts removed then are hung up to be wind dried... And of course their treatment of animals in general.

For the Japanese we've got their live food... they'll do this with lobsters, squid, fish, frogs even...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikizukuri

fish is cut swiftly and still conscious as it is served up... you can eat the 'sushi' as the fish watches you...

here is one of a frog: *warning only click play if you're not squeamish* (hope this is OK to post - tis there to illustrate a point but isn't pleasant)

Like I said this is only opinion there may well be UK dishes that you consider to be crueler than these.

dowie · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:50

peige said:
Chinese people abiding by Chinese laws and traditions, what right have we to enforce our views on them?

How many problems are caused in the world by westerns charging round trying inflict our own ideals on others. Leave them to do what they want, if the Chinese themselves what to change it then it will happen but we have no business telling them what to do.

Even human rights have boundaries of applicability in the world.

most of the world would be stuck in the past with even higher infant mortality rates and minimal education if it wasn't for western interference over the past few hundred years...

We've got every right to voice concerns about animal rights, human rights etc..

hyperseven · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:53

For the 'meat is meat brigade', so cannibalism is fine I take it :rolleyes:

dowie · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:53

Avenged7Fold said:
In the east, dog is generally thought of as a meat that helps you recover vitality and health.

And it is those sort of BS beliefs that lead to endangered animals being hunted because some idiots in China think their horns or whatever are useful in 'medicine'.

MikeTheNative · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:55

Opposing this just because it is dog is stupid, the welfare is a valid concern. However where is these people's concern about all other animals which I imagine is treated the same?

TommyV · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:56

Their culture their traditions.

413x · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:57

There really is no justification. You can go political correctness and cultural acceptance as much as you want. I know where I'd rather be if I was an animal going for meat. China or UK..

I'm definitely not saying we are prefect (some dark stuff happens that people just don't see) but still.

I am becoming more and more veggie the longer time goes on.
Better meat alternatives get the better

dowie · 2 Jun 2015 at 13:58

TommyV said:
Their culture their traditions.

...isn't really any form of excuse