Smiler rollercoaster at Alton Towers - carriage collision

My sister and her friend went to go on the smiler a few years or so back and while waiting in line a huge 1 foot by 2 inch bolt come off narrowly missing them as there was no net in the line where they were stood, could have killed them. Theres an article somewhere.
All they got was a couple of free stuff and the ride was shut for the day i think but them things meant to be tight.

I thought the coaster was computer controlled? should it have stopped after it realised another cart was on the track. I think no amount of money will compensate for their life changing injuries especially as she was a dancer and has had to have her leg amputated now aswell.


Yes i've been researching accidents/incidents at AT and the smiler also had problems getting stuck on launch with journalists, read several reports from people saying the harness on Oblivion not locking at the start until top of the first hill, person reported it at end of ride to the operator and it was just shrugged off like it was nothing which makes me think it had happened before and a young girls seat belt snapping on Oblivion, there is a video on youtube and people hurt on the Blackhole.
 
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Although that's correct. That may be a failsafe, doesn't AT have a human policy of only allowing one on at a time ? Its not been confirmed

I don't see any reason you can't have say two 'trains' on at once as they can be held at the tops of climbs etc. to allow the preceding train to be out of the way.

It's a very easy situation to manage with human controls and various electronic and mechanical fail safes which makes this tragedy quite incomprehensible ..

Something must have been manually overridden or bypassed for this to happen, or basic maintenance schedules ignored surely?
 
What happens when one rushes?

In what sense? a technician rushing to tighten up bolts? I would think on such a 'small' 'basic' maintenance task, considering the risk of getting it wrong there is room for a second technician to go over the work to check torque on bolts etc.?
 
Not as far as I am aware. Roller coaster set off before other was back. Not procedure. Certainly not procedure to allow roller coaster to run with a stationary carriage on there.

Not quite. The coaster can run with more than one car on track, just not within the same 'zone' of the track. If a car hasn't left a zone the systems should prevent another car entering that zone.

From what has been reported (which of course may be incorrect) the stalled carriage had stalled before the second one was sent out, I would have thought that would have been a procedural no no, sending out a carriage when you know the is a malfunctioning one in it's path?
 
From what has been reported (which of course may be incorrect) the stalled carriage had stalled before the second one was sent out, I would have thought that would have been a procedural no no, sending out a carriage when you know the is a malfunctioning one in it's path?

They obviously didn't know there was a malfunctioning one..
 
The military compensation is actually higher than compensations quoted for accidents. She is going to be looking at less than £200k it seems. Only pointing out facts and not supporting or opposing the compensation at all. Completely neutral.

Why are you using the military to base your figures? Completely different. One is state-funded and injuries are expected and the other is privately run with (I assume insurance) and will want to sweep this under the carpet as quickly and amicable as possible despite the £££ cost.

People probably claim thousands for cutting their finger opening a can of baked beans... Getting your legs and hands squashed will bag more than £200k...
 
They obviously didn't know there was a malfunctioning one..

Therefore design fault, reason why they have closed loads of coasters.

I cannot fathom for the life of me why the computer released the second car before the other had moved into another zone or safe part of the track.

Or my be it did move into the zone and kicked the sensors off and then rolled back into the zone before!!! Hmm maybe.
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If that's the case its a design fault.
 
Why are you using the military to base your figures? Completely different. One is state-funded and injuries are expected and the other is privately run with (I assume insurance) and will want to sweep this under the carpet as quickly and amicable as possible despite the £££ cost.

People probably claim thousands for cutting their finger opening a can of baked beans... Getting your legs and hands squashed will bag more than £200k...

From all the claim websites on Google it appears less than £200k is the norm.
 
Therefore design fault, reason why they have closed loads of coasters.

I cannot fathom for the life of me why the computer released the second car before the other had moved into another zone or safe part of the track.

Or my be it did move into the zone and kicked the sensors off and then rolled back into the zone before!!! Hmm maybe.
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If that's the case its a design fault.

They are manually released as far as I am aware.
 
The military compensation is actually higher than compensations quoted for accidents. She is going to be looking at less than £200k it seems. Only pointing out facts and not supporting or opposing the compensation at all. Completely neutral.
Just Google case studies where individuals have lost limbs through personal injury in all sorts of situations. The amount can and most probably will exceed what you're saying.

All said, I feel desperately sorry for all involved. We were at Alton Towers the previous weekend and I had my first (and possibly last) ride on the Smiler ride.
 
Just Google case studies where individuals have lost limbs through personal injury in all sorts of situations. The amount can and most probably will exceed what you're saying.

All said, I feel desperately sorry for all involved. We were at Alton Towers the previous weekend and I had my first (and possibly last) ride on the Smiler ride.

I did that and accident claims for single leg loss above the knee were around £200k mark. One of lawyers for one of those affected mentioned £250k in one of the papers for life changing injuries. They mentioned up to £1m compensation total as there are an entire carriage of people affected.
 
For all those speculating about how the Smiler works and who controls what, the quote below is from a post on another forum supposedly by a former employee of Alton Towers who worked on the Smiler. Obviously we can only take their word (or not) as to if they are genuine and how credible this information is but I thought it sounded at least reasonable enough to include it here...

I’m an ex Alton Towers Resort / Merlin Entertainments employee, not to jump on the bandwagon, who's worked on The Smiler since pretty much day one. With that I’ve experienced my fair share with that ride and I want to lay out my opinion of what happened on Tuesday June 2nd;

Firstly, the trains hold no brakes, all braking is done on the track as it is with every modern rollercoaster, this prevents them from “being stuck upside down” as many a guest would ask on a regular bases. The trains hold a few force registering sensors that talk to the rides computer when it comes back into the station. The only real contact the computer has with the trains is in the station where harnesses are locked and checked however throughout the track there are proximity sensors that communicate with the rides computer, these sensors are dotted around the ride and and give the Operator a rough position of where each train is. (As far as I'm aware, there are no proximity sensors on the Batwing part of the ride however don't quote me on that).

Secondly, a block section is a section of track where a train should be able to successfully start and successfully stop, failing this the rides computer, with data from the proximity sensors, should flag up an error on the Operators panel. This error should, under no circumstances be able to be overridden.

Thirdly, when ANY ride at Alton Towers Resort brakes down or suffers from technical difficulties a member of the technical services team will be present alongside the Operator because the Operators aren't taught how fix these massive machines. Whether its just turn a key and press reset a member of the Technical Services team will be there, and depending how big the fault a member of the Park Operations management team as well. That’s usually why it takes so long during technical hiccups.

Going off assumption, and I stress that massively, the position of the trains before the incident may have been as follows;
-Train 1 stalled in the batwing section of the ride
-Train 2 held at the top of Lift 1 because the computer has realised Train 1 has stalled and called an E-Stop on the ride
-Train 3 would have guests on it in the station
-Train 4 would have been postponed just behind Train 3, in waiting position 2
-Train 5 would have been behind Train 4 on the transfer track.

In the Operators cabin there are two massive 37” TV screens holding around 12 cameras each, including parts of the rides building like baggage but also certain sections of the ride itself, for example Lift 1 has two cameras pointing at it and there are also cameras pointing at other key braking sections. However the Batwing loop doesn't have its own independent camera, but you can see it out of the corner of a few other cameras on the screens.

So down to what might have actually happened; The Smiler goes down with a technical difficulty with Train 1, Tech Services are called to the ride, register and clear the fault on the panel and tell the Operator to send Train 1 empty in “Code Zero”. Code Zero basically means that the Operator has full control over every brake section on the ride, sometimes the ride requires it to be in Code Zero to send a faulty train from the station or from any brake or Lift section of the ride. The Operator does so under instruction from Tech Services. Now because it was so late in the day Train 1 should have successfully, but slowly made it round the block section between Lift 1 and Brake 3 as the trains wheels would be warm enough and cause less friction than when they're cold.
The only way Train 1 would have stalled where it did is either a gust of wind was blowing and caused to stall, or the ride was Emergency Stopped. When the ride is emergency stopped every brake flies up and stops every train when they reach these brake sections, however The Smiler has two air time hills on it, both occupied by Trim Brakes which control the speed of the trains as they go around each block sections. When an E-Stop is pressed on The Smiler every brake flies up and locks, including these Trim Brakes, if every trim brake flies up then Train 1, whether it was full of guests or not would have stalled in the Batwing section.

Whether it was the wind or a ride fault that caused the trim brakes to react that way the rides computer would have flagged up another error which would have then again be cleared and registered by Tech Services, at this point Management should have been called to the ride to organise an area and ride evacuation. Keep in mind that there are reports that this stalled train stayed halted in that section of track for more than five minuets, a member of staff should have noticed and altered the Operator.

This means that in the Operators cabin there would be at least 2 people, depending if management were called, 3 people. At this point the Operator is doing things that Tech Services and potentially management have approved, because the ride was in Code Zero, it means the computer thinks that someone who knows what they're doing is now operating the ride, which in this case would have been the rides Operator under Tech Services instruction, in this mode all the brake and lift sections can be controlled individually, meaning Lift 1, where Train 2 halted could have and was jogged to clear and in result crashed into Train 1.

Failing that, because every brake and lift section of the ride can be controlled individually this may also mean that the Operator or Tech Services selected the wrong area to clear. The Operator has realised Train 1 has stalled and called for an evacuation, hence why Train 2 was at the top of Lift 1 for 5-10 mins. The Operator has been told to evacuate the area by management and has been told to get the 4 other trains as close to the station as possible, this means Lift 1 should have had its reverse mode initiated and instead of going forwards, rolled backwards (which it can do) to the bottom of the lift hill where an easy evacuation could have taken place instead of on the precipice of the lift hill.

From all that I’ve discussed in this, you can draw two conclusions with two faults;
Conclusion one:
-Human Error: The Operator was told to send Train 2 over Lift 1
-Ride Error: The computer should have stepped in, even in Code Zero and alerted the Operator and Tech Services about Train 1
Conclusion two:
-Human Error: The Operator has intended to reverse Train 2 down Lift 1 and made a mistake in that process
-Ride Error: The computer should have stepped in and refused the request to send Train 2 forwards.

In summary, if we had to point blame, I’d blame the rides manufacture, Gerstlauer, for implementing a manual mode (Code Zero) system that can seemingly bypass the safety system, it may just be a bug in the code but its something that should've been prevented and the ride should've stopped it from happening. It was probably a simple mistake, like the direction go Lift 1, its just a shame the ride didn't step in and stop it.

Either way we wont know what really happened until the investigation is complete, and even then we won’t know the real deal, the only people who will know what happened that way will be the Operator and whoever else was in that cabin with them.

Just one more thing to add, Alton Towers Resort and Merlin Entertainments do some of the best ride training in the industry, we know every procedure off by hand, the rides team would have done all they could to initiate and evacuation and alert Park Control of the incident but when you've only got a minimum of 13 staff and probably nearing 3,000 guests in that area it can be a challenge and I'm sure the team did well.

Sorry for such a long post by the way, however I hope its shed some light onto what could've happened. Also this will be the only post I complete on this forum because of my relationship with Alton Towers Resort.
 
AT will settle out of court and the amounts will be confidential IMO.

Apparently if you went today you got a free ticket to go back later in the year.

I think you're probably right as this seems to be the norm when layers and insurance companies get involved, the latter I guess will foot the bill. It seems the PR is more important than the victims when this happens it seems it can be swept under a rug for the right price. Hope they all hold out for a good pay out weighing up the years ahead. Someone must be responsible for this once the full facts have been established.
 
Therefore design fault, reason why they have closed loads of coasters.

I cannot fathom for the life of me why the computer released the second car before the other had moved into another zone or safe part of the track.

Or my be it did move into the zone and kicked the sensors off and then rolled back into the zone before!!! Hmm maybe.
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If that's the case its a design fault.

From the injuries reported, and the reports that the loaded car was doing 20 MPH, it sounds to me a lot like the malfunctioning car had it's brakes on.

Obviously I'm no expert but I have crashed a car at over 20 MPH into a concrete wall and also numerous 20 MPH+ dodgem car collisions, all without injury and while those vehicles are better designed to protect their passengers from impact, the amount of damage reported doesn't sound like the malfunctioning car was shunted (dissipating the energy of the moving car).
 
^^^This but it does not explain why code zero allowed cars to collide?? :confused:

These are not cheap things to build and the last thing you want is cars smashing into each other. Computer glitch or bad design, I wont say it again I know am repeating myself! :rolleyes: :p
 
I'm calling it now.

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For all those speculating about how the Smiler works and who controls what, the quote below is from a post on another forum supposedly by a former employee of Alton Towers who worked on the Smiler. Obviously we can only take their word (or not) as to if they are genuine and how credible this information is but I thought it sounded at least reasonable enough to include it here...

Was thinking something along the lines of conclusion 2 but would someone be that complacent not to look and see that what they thought they'd requested was actually happening. Plus if they had someone from Tech Services and maybe Management stepping in to manage the situation, that neither of them were overseeing their requests were being carried out correctly or neither was in reach to step in and hit an emergency stop button?
 
From the injuries reported, and the reports that the loaded car was doing 20 MPH, it sounds to me a lot like the malfunctioning car had it's brakes on.

Obviously I'm no expert but I have crashed a car at over 20 MPH into a concrete wall and also numerous 20 MPH+ dodgem car collisions, all without injury and while those vehicles are better designed to protect their passengers from impact, the amount of damage reported doesn't sound like the malfunctioning car was shunted (dissipating the energy of the moving car).

You know how much energy is being displaced at 20 mph at the weights involved???

The people alone weigh about 1.5 tonnes and the car over 2. Lets say 3.5 tonnes of energy hits a stationary 2 tonnes without people. OUCH!!

Not going to end well that's for sure. :(

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Forgot to mention rollercoasters don't have crumple zones!
 
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