Another US shooting: 9 dead in SC church

matt_fsr · 18 Jun 2015 at 15:45

Longbow said:

Dwayne Dibley? :confused:

How could it all go so wrong for you?

olivier renault · 18 Jun 2015 at 15:47

Loony season started already?

Schlong&Stable · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:01

A lone actor who is not part of a broader ideological movement should not be considered a terrorist in my view.

I think this is more a case of mentall illness than rationalised violence. But I base that primarily upon his haircut so...

Mark A · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:11

Craterloads said:
Don't even have to click link in op, let me guess white male gunman.

here we go...

Xordium · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:17

Craterloads said:
Don't even have to click link in op, let me guess white male gunman.

Correct.

The murderer's origins are always predictable when such atrocities occur when you look at who has been killed.

You set a dangerous precedent, for you normal arguments, with that post. You are trying to make one point but all your are doing is confirming what people have been saying for some time in other threads.

I came to the same conclusion on seeing this headline in the same way I come to the same conclusions when assuming who has been behind other such massacres.

If this person was found to be associated and active in supremacist movements I would hope that the US government clamp down on them even more than they do now. If he is just a rogue loose cannon with similar ideological beliefs then it would do no harm to clamp down on them anyway.

Now I've said my usual thing - I guess you now need to call me a racist right?

Craterloads · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:23

Xordium said:
Correct.

The murderer's origins are always predictable when such atrocities occur when you look at who has been killed.

You set a dangerous precedent, for you normal arguments, with that post. You are trying to make one point but all your are doing is confirming what people have been saying for some time in other threads.

I came to the same conclusion on seeing this headline in the same way I come to the same conclusions when assuming who has been behind other such massacres.

If this person was found to be associated and active in supremacist movements I would hope that the US government clamp down on them even more than they do now. If he is just a rogue loose cannon with similar ideological beliefs then it would do no harm to clamp down on them anyway.

Now I've said my usual thing - I guess you now need to call me a racist right?

Incorrect, this isn't the first time you have mistaken a parody post. So above jibberish as usual.

I don't need to call you anything anymore, you demonstrate that all on your own clear enough.

thedoc46 · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:28

Puppetmaster said:
Was it a conceal carry free area out of interest?

SC is an open carry state, meaning people are allowed to have their gun on show.

Xordium · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:29

Craterloads said:
Incorrect, this isn't the first time you have mistaken a parody post.

I don't need to call you anything anymore, you demonstrate that all on you own clear enough.

I think you need to re-read my post then you've seemingly failed to notice the centre part.

I've demonstrated consistency across this subject, I've clarified it a number of times.

I think atrocities are wrong.
I think all consuming ideologies are wrong.
I think both should be challenged and left behind as blights on the past of humanity - fascism, supremacy, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Stalinism, Maoism, etc.

John40 · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:29

Suspect Dylann Roof has been arrested.

Ducky89 · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:31

cheesyboy said:
Well, USA has by far the highest gun homicide rate (per 100,000) of any rich developed country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

It's outside the top 100 for rate (per 100,000) of overall homicides , but again is the highest of all developed countries. Almost 5 times UK's rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

What about if you take firearm homicide rate (per 100,000) vs gun ownership?

EDIT: Did the maths (might've ****ed it up, please tell me if so):

3.55 firearm related homicides per 100,000 population / year (2013) USA

0.04 firearm related homicides per 100,000 population / year (2010) UK

Guns per 100,000 residents

88800 USA
6600 UK

3.55 FR-homicides for every 88800 guns (USA)
0.04 FR-homicides for every 6600 guns (UK)

3.55/88800 = # deaths/gun USA = 0.0000399

0.04/6600 = # deaths/gun USA = 0.00000606

6.5* more likely in US...

Raz · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:35

He's been arrested

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33190735

Cosimo · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:37

Raz said:
He's been arrested

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33190735

Let's hope that the cops don't accidentally him.

thedoc46 · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:37

cheesyboy said:
I find myself getting rather agitated, maybe outright angry, at America and its myopia when it comes to guns.

So many innocent Americans would be alive if guns weren't so prevalent. They're ****ing idiots.

I live in America and its hardly a problem. Safer here for the most part, than you are in England, where people are more respectful and friendlier. Go out for a pint in any British town center, and you're in more danger of walking out with a glass hanging out the side of your face cos you looked at some 'wannabe' hard man the wrong way. Gun ownership puts an end to all that BS.

Yes go to a ghetto part and you're in a lot more danger.. Most gun related homicides are black on black in the not so nice parts of town. Go to a leafy suburb and you're very safe. Kids say hello mam or sir and do not spit on the floor in their hoodies acting 'ard.

Keyboards'Fear · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:38

If looks could kill...

Unfortunately those flags on his jacket are the old Rhodesia flag, and the old South African flag, so quite possibly he is the spawn of heavily racist parents from the Apartheid era.

Most white supremacists in America wouldn't know anything about those flags, so possibly my home country is going to start getting quite a lot of bashing quite soon

Deystorm · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:40

Good that he's arrested, but what drove him to do this???
Well, people that are shot, RIP.
My condolences go out to the families who lost their beloved people!

Craterloads · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:40

I wasn't "correct" nor did we come to the same conclusions... As I stated my post was a parody post, a play on a similar post posted in another thread. You essentially are the thing I'm mocking if you believe I was correct.

Not sure why your dragging other stuff into this thread, seems you can't help yourself. And no I don't see your point or agree with them or any definitions you make but this isn't the thread for that.

new boy · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:41

Crazy yanks. When will they learn.

thedoc46 · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:43

My proposal to stop the mass shootings would be to not allow the sale of any firearms to anyone under the age of 25. Most mass shooters are disturbed young men...

Then make it law that any firearm is locked away in a safe, so nut jobs do not have as easy access to them. Anyone who's found responsible is also held accountable, that'll make sure people keep their guns locked. As for the kids now that own guns, place this law in place now and in 10yrs old, the suicide angry kids who have guns today will have grown older and more mentally stable...

Have the NRA setup a safe company or a financial interest in a safe manufacturing company, and then they'll support them becoming mandatory.

The normal folk get to keep their guns, feel safer and the NRA continue to make lots of money. Job done !

d_brennen · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:44

He's made it into custody alive. Too white to be shot by cops

Craterloads · 18 Jun 2015 at 16:45

Looks a kid, is that a now photo or from earlier?