Yet those countries where punishment is secondary to rehabilitation have lower crime rates than those that focus on punishment.
Cops not chasing motorcyclists/theives once they take their helmet off
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Yet those countries where punishment is secondary to rehabilitation have lower crime rates than those that focus on punishment.
Damned right. Countries which have the most punitive justice systems have almost no crime at all.
I'd say it's utterly cowardly. I'm generally a supporter of the police. I'm the son of a police officer of 30 years experience so i can bet I'm a far more qualified than you to comment.
Police officers go in to arrest gypsy.
Entire site rises against them.
Police need to go in with force.
Gypsies complain they're being oppressed/ responded to in a heavy handed manner.
Instead of saying tough luck police just don't go in and thus let the criminals get away as they're too afraid of offending a minority.
The same went for the child grooming by Asian men in the likes of Rotherham it was only after it was leaked did criminal investigations start.
Because of institutional cowardice within the police force innocents are left without justice.
I think peoples point is with this procedure it just encourages people to ride without a helmet
I can understand when it's a car travelling dangerously but surely when its a motorbike pretty much all the risk is on the rider and if he does hit a car the people inside it are unlikely to be injured
just because the police aren't following doesn't mean the motorbike rider is likely to ride more safely he will still want to get out the area as quick as possible.
when it's a car they more than likely just want to abandon the car and get away asap but bikes can escape cars pretty easily because they can take short cuts cars can't down alley ways, through forests or footpaths that don't follow the side of a road so really it's better to stay on the bike until you get to where you want to be as the chances of escape are higher on the bike than on foot unlike a car where you can get blocked in easily
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thats a single incident.
how many motor cycle impacts with cars end up with the people in the cars being injured?
From all the crash videos on youtube I'm not expecting it to be anything other than a small percent
anyway the fact is the policy of not chasing motorbike/ped riders without a helmet is not a deterrent it encourages more of it unless the charge for riding at dangerous speeds without a helmet is a significant one which I'm guessing it's not
how many motor cycle impacts with cars end up with the people in the cars being injured?
From all the crash videos on youtube I'm not expecting it to be anything other than a small percent
anyway the fact is the policy of not chasing motorbike/ped riders without a helmet is not a deterrent it encourages more of it unless the charge for riding at dangerous speeds without a helmet is a significant one which I'm guessing it's not
No it's not. It's a link to one incident I can remember off the top of my head. Proclaiming "it's just one incident" doesn't make it so. Or does this mean "well, that's just two incidents". How many incidents do we need to post where a motorcyclist kills a vehicle occupant before you decide that maybe it's a thing? My guess, you're stubborn, so you'll ignore all of them.
Lots actually. Particularly side impacts when pulling out of junctions. The only thing that stops more people in cars being injured is blind luck (on the car drivers part) that the front of their car has to exit the junction before the rest of it and what side of the vehicle the motorcycle hits and whether the seat is occupied, or they have decent side impact protection.
Someone on these forums, who hangs in the motorcycle section was in a side impact last year. The only thing that stopped that accident from being a lot worse was that he wasn't riding like a loon. Had he been riding faster, he'd have either hit the wing and been thrown far further and more violently than he was (as he hit their rear door and was tossed clear of the car), or ploughed into the front or rear passenger door, at which point, like I said, a motorcycle will punch into the cabin like a torpedo causing very serious injuries to anyone on that side of the vehicle, unless they happen to have side curtains (which many don't as they're optional extras).
Yeah. Because lots of people are going to upload their crash videos where they plough into a vehicle and kill it's occupants to Youtube. Try live leak for that.
You should have no problem coming up with all the evidence for the facts that show the policy is encouraging more of it then.
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Riding at high speeds without a helmet/eye wear is a danger to the public cause you can't really see that much
Well they chased me the other day....
But I am guessing you mean in a criminal pursuit situation?
Were you failing to stop? It's not a pursuit if they're just catching up with you to put a stop in.
It has to be a blanket ban otherwise we would run the risk of people who commit petty crimes like shop-lifting, vandalism, bike theft ..etc being chased to the point where they could pay the ultimate price for this ( I know a good few hardcore right-wingers here would feel death is a reasonable punishment for theft 
) Or worse still a completely innocent civilian being seriously injured or killed 
It's fair to say most cases of moped getaways is normally that of youths who are committing petty crimes like theft or drug dealing, hammer attacks, murders and more serious crimes don't normally result in moped police chases. Personally I don't want to see petty criminals being chased to their deaths as not only is that horrific and a disproportional and unreasonable outcome for there deeds it also places the general public in serious and significant danger.
) Or worse still a completely innocent civilian being seriously injured or killed It's fair to say most cases of moped getaways is normally that of youths who are committing petty crimes like theft or drug dealing, hammer attacks, murders and more serious crimes don't normally result in moped police chases. Personally I don't want to see petty criminals being chased to their deaths as not only is that horrific and a disproportional and unreasonable outcome for there deeds it also places the general public in serious and significant danger.
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Nobody makes them run and endanger innocents and themselves. It's a choice they make. Just like committing a crime is a choice they make.
Stop making them sound like a victim.
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Mental. They commit a crime they take the consequences... they don't like the possible consequences they stop... the Darwin theory comes into play...
Simples....
Simples....
So they deserve to die?
Also it's great people mention evolution/darwin as you then have to except 'product of your environment' being a HUGE factor in what makes many troubled youths commit crimes!!
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I get calling off a chase when the people being pursued are in a car and they're driving so dangerously that they might knock over loads of people at once, but wearing a helmet or not, a bike rider is as big a danger to the public, and if they choose to remove their helmet that's their decision and theirs alone.