Poll: Fox Hunting
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Just leave it how it is now, however it should never of been banned in the first place. The amount of time that was wasted trying to ban something so insignificant in the scheme of thing really grates me.
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So what you're saying is because the natural hunting technique that the fox uses is by human definition cruel, they are fair game to suffer cruelty themselves?
By that logic you'd have no problem with a bunch of chavs shooting their BB guns at pet cats and dogs because they also hunt and seemingly kill in a vicious manner.
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I've never hunted but a few friends were involved around the edges when I grew up in South Staffs. It has never been a problem for me but I do find the thinly disguised class warfare distasteful. A lot of people get on their high horse about it whlst buying consumer electronics from Chna where the workers might be exploited and clothes from Bangladesh where they definitely are. Practically everyone is a tacit accomplice to horrendous industrial farming but we all boo hoo over vermin with style and good PR.
That said a lot of anti's probably hold consistent moral positions and fair play to them, even if I would disagree with them, the rest of us are by and large hypocrits.
That said a lot of anti's probably hold consistent moral positions and fair play to them, even if I would disagree with them, the rest of us are by and large hypocrits.
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Agree with farmers being able to control pests.
Do not agree with posh toffs being able to garner pleasure from the torture of animals.
The ban should stand, I've written to my MP and will be writing again once the date is set. If you oppose a lifting of the ban I suggest you do the same.
Do not agree with posh toffs being able to garner pleasure from the torture of animals.
The ban should stand, I've written to my MP and will be writing again once the date is set. If you oppose a lifting of the ban I suggest you do the same.
Disgusting blood "sport"
that has no place in a loving and civilized society.
Torturing and then killing any sentient being for entertainment is as pathetic as it is sick!
Torturing and killing defenseless animals is also a common trait with young serial killers and psychopaths before they progress onto humans, it's hardly something we want to be encouraging or exposing young children too!!
As for controlling numbers that is a straw-man argument which holds no water, the foot & mouth outbreak a few years ago put that disingenuous lie to bed !!
that has no place in a loving and civilized society.Torturing and then killing any sentient being for entertainment is as pathetic as it is sick!
Torturing and killing defenseless animals is also a common trait with young serial killers and psychopaths before they progress onto humans, it's hardly something we want to be encouraging or exposing young children too!!
As for controlling numbers that is a straw-man argument which holds no water, the foot & mouth outbreak a few years ago put that disingenuous lie to bed !!
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ban should definately stand - and voted as such
I agree with most of others on this thread, I can see the need (possibly) in some circumstances to control populations (although sometimes I wonder why not spend more money and protect what needs protecting (chickens etc) better)
but for sport and for fun - its disgusting
I hope the politicians take the view of the country into consideration as I'm pretty certain the majority of the population disagree with it
also I don't buy the "we need to keep the history/stock of the hunt packs" - do we care ? no
I agree with most of others on this thread, I can see the need (possibly) in some circumstances to control populations (although sometimes I wonder why not spend more money and protect what needs protecting (chickens etc) better)
but for sport and for fun - its disgusting
I hope the politicians take the view of the country into consideration as I'm pretty certain the majority of the population disagree with it
also I don't buy the "we need to keep the history/stock of the hunt packs" - do we care ? no
What's foot and mouth got to do with fox hunting?
I'm a farmer and in general I am pro hunting, but I am against hunting with horses and will not allow them to cross my land, it all to do with the people who hunt, (and not wanting to make this sound like it a class thing as i believe all people are equal) but you get a bunch of unfit everyday people dressing up, getting on there unfit horses and they think they the lord of the manor who can do what every they want. The last time they tried to cross my land i made them dismount and walk off my land, the time before that they got over the land before I could catch them so made them pay a very big bill for repairs, needlessness to say they don't hunt in my area anymore.
I feel the same. Quite frankly, it's barbaric and completely backwards in this day and age.
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^This lets be honest I doubt the current ban has ended a single fox hunt anywhere and it's just some loophole they have to adhere too but at least the 'ban' had kept everyone quiet about the thing for a few years!
Now them repealing it is just going to stir it all up again and give Labour something to waste parliamentary time on overturning it whenever they next get into power.
a genuine question this - not one to set-up
but what problems do foxes causes for farmers ? I'm struggling to see what they are except for attacks to chickens (which I imagine if you design/pay enough for a decent pen should be near impossible)
in my noddy eyes I can see more destruction to property etc from rabbits than foxes
but what problems do foxes causes for farmers ? I'm struggling to see what they are except for attacks to chickens (which I imagine if you design/pay enough for a decent pen should be near impossible)
in my noddy eyes I can see more destruction to property etc from rabbits than foxes
make the rules tougher then IMO
should we have kept smoking in pubs as it was "traditional" ?
surely a modern society can move on - and say it was something we did in the past- but no more
I'm sure the majority of the country would think that way ?
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If you don't like fox hunting then don't go on a fox hunt.
(Isn't that the way logic works on these things?)
(Isn't that the way logic works on these things?)
fox hunting, whale hunting (sorry scientific research), dog festivals
there is some nasty stuff out there
we're not particularly nice as humans really - ok you can argue wild animals eat animals alive etc - but with our "intelligence" you'd think we'd put some of it into animal welfare
there is some nasty stuff out there
we're not particularly nice as humans really - ok you can argue wild animals eat animals alive etc - but with our "intelligence" you'd think we'd put some of it into animal welfare
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This thread is a perfect example of why the Dons need to add down-vote and up-vote buttons to individual posts.
Need is a pretty strong word. I don't think it would be of any benefit at all. The people most likely to use it would be the people down-voting posters they just don't like.
Forum does not need to be a popularity contest.
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I'm really unsure. I hate the thought of hunting with dogs, but we do need to manage the fox population better.
If you can tell us where to get our tech from somewhere other than 'China', I'd say we'd all try and buy from it, it's easier said than done when 90% of tech is now made in Asia.
Same for clothes, half the time you don't know where it's made until you buy it (especially if bought online) and a large majority of 'mass produced' clothing is made in these poorer countries. You can't even be sure high end brands aren't made there either.
a fox being 'near' is enough to stop chickens laying eggs. They can attack/upset pets like cats/dogs which although not nice isn't an issue in my view as that's just part of 'nature'. Foxes can also go after pheasants etc although it's a totally natural thing, but some farmers sell off pheasants during their cull/hunting season - they eat the crops.
Foxes can also be quite devastating if they do get into a chicken run, they don't just kill one and take it, they can on occasion kill ALL of the chickens and just take one away.
from a structural perspective you're right, a rabbit warren can collapse a building.