Harsh but still OP be thankfull that you actually have a I.T job as I've pretty much given up getting into it as just to get into a min wage/ enrty role you need years+ of experience, a degree and/or certs.
Living Wage 2020... is it right?
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Harsh but still OP be thankfull that you actually have a I.T job as I've pretty much given up getting into it as just to get into a min wage/ enrty role you need years+ of experience, a degree and/or certs.
that is why you look at inflation, not 'oh bob at tesco got a rise i wan't moar because I was significantly better off than him and now I'm only moderately better off than him'
if it significantly impacts inflation then that is different, but it doesn't necessarily have to impact it much - that is usually a flawed right wing argument against raising the minimum wage
Hope I get £2.50 per hour pay rise by 2020 in the private sector, don't see it happening though, lol. Just worked out an estimate, if pay rises stay similar to my last ones, I'll have an extra 89p per hour, by 2020
I mean this is what the latest budget has just done - people on the left have been moaning for a while about the minimum wage not being enough and the govt subsidising it with tax credits - now they raise the minimum wage and slash tax credits and people will still find something to complain about as per this thread - in this instance... somehow the poor getting a decent pay rise is unfair because the poor won't be quite so poor any more...
The money isn't about the value of your work over minimum wage it's about the value of your work.
If you're not getting a pay rise between now and 2020 you're either rubbish at your job or working for the wrong company
Also 2020 is 5 years away how about thinking about today
If you're not getting a pay rise between now and 2020 you're either rubbish at your job or working for the wrong company
Also 2020 is 5 years away how about thinking about today
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Come 2020 I will retire from my job and work for £9 with out any stress flipping burgers or any travel costs.
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Problem with raising minimum wage and I do agree it's needed is that won't companies just hike up prices?
Because that is all capitalism functions on, squeezing every last bit of profit out of everyone.
Wage gets raised to try alleviate the wealth disparity that exists, and then people just raise prices so they can make more money.
Because that is all capitalism functions on, squeezing every last bit of profit out of everyone.
Wage gets raised to try alleviate the wealth disparity that exists, and then people just raise prices so they can make more money.
not significantly no, with some exceptions for sectors where the biggest cost is lots of minimum wage staff (so perhaps cleaning companies will hike prices for example)
the whole 'if we increase the minimum wage then inflation will rise up too and it will all be pointless' is usually a flawed right wing argument against the minimum wage... as is the scaremongering that it leads to massive job cuts
Oh I know how you feel.
When I applied for this job it was advertised at 12k.5kPa.... And 20 people went for interviews and out of that, 9 Had computer science degree's.
I also have a degree but in AI & Robotics so a little more specialised.
But it goes to show that no matter what the pay, there are people who will do the job no matter what the price.
I moaned that the Job role was actually in fact far more in depth and they promoted me to a Senior Position within a month.
But this is off topic, and its not about me.
I'm actually ok with how much i am paid, its enough to get me what i need and want. But if the costs of living increase a large amount then this may change.
The fact the Base pay for people is to jump such a high amount leads me to think that the costs of living will also rise.
They don't pay particularly more than anyone else for standard support roles (e.g. admin staff, receptionists, IT), so really the only reason someone would "not want to work at a bank" in an IT role over anywhere else would be if they had a moral objection to banking practices.
Basic IT posts which require little to no experience, no. Anything where you actually have to know what you're doing? Yes. The reason? Exactly the same reason I left, because they are underpaid.
If you employ someone skilled and qualified, you're not just paying for the time they spend working for you, you're paying for the time and money they invested building that experience and gaining that qualification.
How much time and money do you need to invest in training to fill up a coffee machine or clean a desk, compared to learning e.g. AD inside out?
Why (as a school leaver) would you waste time and money investing in further education/qualifications, be skint for 3 years whilst studying, leave uni/college with £30k debt, all to earn just a couple of £ more than your peers (who also have had a 3 year head start on their careers while you were studying)
There's also the factor of how much "value" that person contributes to the company, and how easily they could be replaced (which generally relates directly to the point above about investing time and money in gaining the experience/qualifications).
If the cleaner quit, how quickly could you train up their replacement (assuming no previous experience)? And what impact would that have on the business?
If one of your 2 IT technicians left, how quickly could you train up their replacement(assuming no previous experience)? And what impact would that have on the business?
The footballer example isn't really a good one, as they are a bit of an exception to the rule - but even then, they still fall under the same factors as above.
How much money does <insert famous footballer here> generate for the team?
How easily could you replace <insert famous footballer here>(assuming no previous experience)?
I say "no previous experience" in the examples above, because if you're not willing to pay for the experience, you're most likely not going to get it.
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It suggests that every single job that ever needs doing is worth at least £9 an hour though - is this the case?
Surely there are a number of jobs which are not worth £9 an hour and are quite suitable for those who do not rely on the work to be the main bread winner. These jobs are therefore important to both the people who employ and those who take them for supplementary incomes.
There are numerous households where one partner works full time for a good wage and the other does a few hours a week to top up the household income doing easy and simple tasks with low stress that entirely suit them - they neither want or need a job with any real responsibility.
They don't rely on it to cover ALL costs of living as those who need a living wage would.
Surely it is better to ask what we can do to help those who rely on very basic work to support themselves entirely and look at how we can move these people into more lucrative work than simply over-value every minimum wage job in the country instead?
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I mean this is what the latest budget has just done - people on the left have been moaning for a while about the minimum wage not being enough and the govt subsidising it with tax credits - now they raise the minimum wage and slash tax credits and people will still find something to complain about as per this thread - in this instance... somehow the poor getting a decent pay rise is unfair because the poor won't be quite so poor any more...
I agree, you can't really complain with what's going on, yes tax credits have been cut, but to be honest this is how it should be, yes the large corporations have been enjoying cheap labour whilst profits go up, it's not right Government subsidise wages to the extent that they have been. I do agree with Osborne that it's not a viable way to carry on.
I guess the fundamental message is like years ago, and what Jeb Bush has recently said, go out and work more.
It was good enough for our ancestors, if they wanted money they went out and worked hard for it, just a sign of our times now that people expect everything on a plate and want high reward for zero effort.
I've improved my lot in life and I'm working my way up the wage ladder, these changes will probably impact me and my GF and family a little bit, but you know what? I want more and we will both have to just work more, I'm OK with that.
Bit ranty off an a tangent.
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I'm not necessarily referring to your high street branches or some back office in Birmingham. For the purpose of that statement I should have clarified that I'm referring to commercial banking, investment banking etc.. and IT pay is significantly higher there. Point being it isn't all about pay, not everyone wants to go work at some big bank in the city.
....and what do you get when wages rise and prices of everything rise?
Inflation and 'Growth'!
But, at the end of the day, working with Moodle and Joomla isn't exactly the most difficult thing imaginable...
I dont use Moodle and Joomla.
Website is designed and managed via Dreamweaver. Soon to be via a CMS (far more powerful than Joomla) when I have finished with the new site.
The VLE is Frog3 and FrogOs, the latter being new and still in development.
I also have to train staff on the VLE platform. So I am also a Trainer!
Moodle and Joomla is so old its silly and if a school is still using them then they need to stop.