BBC licence fee could be means tested everyone pays regardless of whether or not they own a telev

[TW]Fox · 19 Jul 2015 at 11:57

lovelyhead said:
Nonsense. Put the BBC behind a paywall without adverts and charge the same amount as the current licence fee. If the BBC is as good as people here claim then the service will continue as is.

How do you do that?

Come up with a method of moving a current free to air broadcaster entirely behind a paywall without requiring end users to have to modify or purchase new equipment or rendering existing equipment useless.

I'm just off out in the car - how would I access Radio 2 behind your paywall?

lovelyhead · 19 Jul 2015 at 11:58

[TW]Fox;28330560 said:
I don't see how we can have a rational debate if you are going to make claims as ridiculous as that calling the BBC your 'enemy'. I mean for goodness sake, drama much?

You don't seem to understand how seriously us nationalists take the cause of independence. It is no game. An organisation who actively work against us is our enemy.

Kenai · 19 Jul 2015 at 11:58

lovelyhead said:
Nonsense. Put the BBC behind a paywall without adverts and charge the same amount as the current licence fee. If the BBC is as good as people here claim then the service will continue as is.

It's not about the BBCs service continuing as is though, as much as it is about forcing everyone elses service to compete with it. If you pay wall it, they don't have to compete and they'll take advantage with less content and more adverts, as it'll be less money expended and more money in.

lovelyhead · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:00

[TW]Fox;28330580 said:
How do you paywall FM radio?

You wouldn't need to anyone can listen to radio right now without a licence.

[TW]Fox · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:01

lovelyhead said:
You wouldn't need to anyone can listen to radio right now without a licence.

Anyone can view the BBC news website right now without a license too but you appear to want to Paywall that, why not Radio?

lovelyhead · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:01

[TW]Fox;28330590 said:
How do you do that?

Come up with a method of moving a current free to air broadcaster entirely behind a paywall without requiring end users to have to modify or purchase new equipment or rendering existing equipment useless.

I'm just off out in the car - how would I access Radio 2 behind your paywall?

They managed fine during the analogue switch off. Radio would continue as is.

lovelyhead · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:03

[TW]Fox;28330605 said:
Anyone can view the BBC news website right now without a license too but you appear to want to Paywall that, why not Radio?

You don't need a licence now to listen to radio so there would be no need to paywall it. It would be funded through revenue collected from TV subscriptions.

They could put the website behind a paywall too if they want.

[TW]Fox · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:05

lovelyhead said:
They managed fine during the analogue switch off.

I don't know if you've noticed but the analogue switch off involved replacing all our televisions. It also co-incided with the fact it was a better, more modern and higher quality technology.

So really it's not at all relevant to the question of how on earth do you suddenly Paywall the BBC.

lovelyhead said:
You don't need a licence now to listen to radio so there would be no need to paywall it. It would be funded through revenue collected from TV subscriptions.

They could put the website behind a paywall too if they want.

You don't need a license for a website, but you want that behind a paywall. But you don't need a license for a radio, so you don't want that beyond a paywall.

Seems well thought out, logical and consistent. I can't think why they've not considered such a plan.

lovelyhead · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:10

[TW]Fox;28330628 said:
I don't know if you've noticed but the analogue switch off involved replacing all our televisions. It also co-incided with the fact it was a better, more modern and higher quality technology.

So really it's not at all relevant to the question of how on earth do you suddenly Paywall the BBC.

And the website?

This is getting pathetic. I have already went over this pages ago. Sure it would be an upheaval. Everyone who wanted to watch live bbc TV would have to buy a new digibox just like they did when analogue was switched off. But a bit of inconvenience and small expense would surely not be too big of an obstacle considering how loved the BBC supposedly is.

Newspapers paywall their websites already but it is up to the BBC whether they want to paywall it or not.

lovelyhead · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:13

Moses said:
I do wonder what'd happen with newspaper websites if the BBC shut down its news pages/massively scaled it back. Without that competition, I'd imagine most of the press could put up pay walls and do okay.

And there is another good reason for doing it. Puts everyone on a level playing field.

[TW]Fox · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:14

Moses said:
I do wonder what'd happen with newspaper websites if the BBC shut down its news pages/massively scaled it back. Without that competition, I'd imagine most of the press could put up pay walls and do okay.

Wouldn't that be a victory for the consumer and free press. You'd end up getting your news from a select few sources you'd decided to subscribe to rather than the current rather excellent situation of being able to get a broad view from different publications.

Bear · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:22

lovelyhead said:
You don't seem to understand how seriously us nationalists take the cause of independence. It is no game. An organisation who actively work against us is our enemy.

So are the other 55% of "fake Scots" your enemy as well?

lovelyhead · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:22

[TW]Fox;28330658 said:
Wouldn't that be a victory for the consumer and free press. You'd end up getting your news from a select few sources you'd decided to subscribe to rather than the current rather excellent situation of being able to get a broad view from different publications.

The way things are going the only place you will be able to get your news from will be the BBC or places like RT or aljazeera. Newspapers are a dying medium. If any of the print based newspapers hope to survive they need to have paywalled websites/apps.

If the BBC is able to fund their news website on forced payments coming their way forever what chance do comercial sources of news stand of staying viable.

The BBC being your only source of news is very 1984!

Muz333 · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:24

lovelyhead said:
I think it is not about whether the BBC is right or left wing. The issue in Scotland is that the BBC is overtly pro unionist when it should be taking a neutral stance. I suppose it is not surprising considering what BBC stands for.

That is the main reason I am so opposed to funding the BBC through general taxation. I would effectively be funding my enemy. This is an opinion shared by many Scots.

To be fair we need some unionist views up here to counter all the SNP support in the other papers. I say well done to the BBC for standing against the rebel turncoats.

lovelyhead · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:25

Bear said:
So are the other 55% of "fake Scots" your enemy as well?

Going by the latest polls it is closer to 50/50 now. Fake Scots is not how I would describe them. They just haven't been convinced yet but the Tories are doing a fine job of that for us. Going a bit OT though.

lovelyhead · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:29

Muz333 said:
To be fair we need some unionist views up here to counter all the SNP support in the other papers. I say well done to the BBC for standing against the rebel turncoats.

You must be having a laugh right? Right??

The only nationalist news sources in Scotland are The National and The Sunday Herald. Every other source of news whether it is TV or print is 100% unionist. That is why The National was created after the referendum because there was no daily news source representing the views of nearly half of Scotland.

And you admit that the BBC is biased. Thanks for helping me make my case.

Went off topic again but I couldn't let that nonsense stand.

xs2man · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:41

Muz333 said:
To be fair we need some unionist views up here to counter all the SNP support in the other papers. I say well done to the BBC for standing against the rebel turncoats.

As do I. I am glad my fellow Scots, in the Majority, had the sense to stop what would have been a ruinous situation from happening.

lovelyhead said:
Going by the latest polls it is closer to 50/50 now. Fake Scots is not how I would describe them. They just haven't been convinced yet but the Tories are doing a fine job of that for us. Going a bit OT though.

Where do you get this information from? I've never seen a poll suggesting a now 50/50 split, unless from that wings over Scotland **** or some other speratist rag...

I know, the Tories eh? Whatever will they think of next to alienate us Scots. One of the highest minimum wages (if not the highest) in the world, and a good economy increasing jobs. What a bunch of ****'*

stopper · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:47

[TW]Fox;28330560 said:
I don't see how we can have a rational debate if you are going to make claims as ridiculous as that calling the BBC your 'enemy'. I mean for goodness sake, drama much?

Some people can see the BBC for what it really is though, a propaganda tool.
I class it as an enemy too, and I'm not even Scottish.

Caged · 19 Jul 2015 at 12:48

lovelyhead said:
You don't seem to understand how seriously us nationalists take the cause of independence. It is no game. An organisation who actively work against us is our enemy.

So finally we've got to the point where we've found out that your desire to fundamentally change the BBC is entirely idealogical, and should therefore be ignored entirely.

I have no issues in theory with the government deciding to review what the BBC does and how it is funded, but not if the starting point is "this isn't a private company receiving no public funding therefore it's automatically satan".

easyrider · 19 Jul 2015 at 13:02

stopper said:
Some people can see the BBC for what it really is though, a propaganda tool.
I class it as an enemy too, and I'm not even Scottish.

Why?