EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti Kingpin Edition Launched

Ayahuasca · 23 Jul 2015 at 12:29

ubersonic said:
Guys it's not a difficult concept, 72+ means it's guaranteed to be over 72, 80+ means it's guaranteed to be over 80. They are guaranteed minimums, not fixed maximums.

Yeah that's what they want you to believe but all cards above 72 are binned so why would they put one tested at 80+ in the 72+ pile?

badbiddy · 23 Jul 2015 at 12:34

Am I right in Googling that you just use GPU-Z to determine ASIC % ?

Kelt · 23 Jul 2015 at 12:36

badbiddy said:
Am I right in Googling that you just use GPU-Z to determine ASIC % ?

Yup.

ubersonic · 23 Jul 2015 at 12:38

Ayahuasca said:
Yeah that's what they want you to believe but all cards above 72 are binned so why would they put one tested at 80+ in the 72+ pile?

They wouldn't put it in that "pile", usual binning selection practice would be for the 80+ cards to have their chip randomly selected from the 80+ bin and the 72+ card to have it's chip randomly selected from the 72+ bins.

Just to completely clarify that, 80+ cards would have the 80+ bin to take from, 72+ cards would have the 72+, 74+, 76+ and 80+ bins to take from.

vsg28 · 23 Jul 2015 at 12:40

72+ means 72 to 73.9, 74+ is 74 to 75.9 and so on I believe. Their RMA policy for this card suggests this.

Ayahuasca · 23 Jul 2015 at 12:43

ubersonic said:
Just to completely clarify that, 80+ cards would have the 80+ bin to take from, 72+ cards would have the 72+, 74+, 76+ and 80+ bins to take from.

I find it hard to believe it would work like that at all.

ubersonic · 23 Jul 2015 at 12:48

vsg28 said:
Their RMA policy for this card suggests this.

No it does not, the policy is here: http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/980-Ti-KINGPIN/

All it suggests is if you RMA a 72+ card your will get a 72+ back not a higher model, however if you RMA a higher model and they don't have any then you may get a lower one in return plus a refund of the difference.

ratters · 23 Jul 2015 at 12:48

ubersonic said:
Basically paying $800 means you're guaranteed a number between 72-100, paying $1000 means you're guaranteed a random number between 80-100. You're paying for the minimum number not the maximum number, the rest is silicone lottery, you're just paying a premium to rig the lottery in your favour via guaranteed minimums.

Using the lottery example, it would be like if they offered regular tickets for £2, and tickets guaranteed to get at least one number* right for £20, it wouldn't mean that the regular ticket will not get any numbers or that the guaranteed ticket will not get more than one, they are just guaranteed minimums.

*I know they can't guarantee that because lottery draws are not predetermined, but ASIC is.

I cant see this otherwise the 74 cards being 74 100 rather than 72 -100, harly worth spending extra on the steps ...

I expect we will know soon enough.

ubersonic · 23 Jul 2015 at 12:56

ratters said:
I cant see this otherwise the 74 cards being 74 100 rather than 72 -100, harly worth spending extra on the steps ...

I expect we will know soon enough.

Oh you're completely correct, charging $50 for a guaranteed 2% minimum higher ASIC makes little sense, but then charging premiums for higher ASIC when the card is aimed at benchmarkers using LN2/H2O/DICE which all work better with lower ASIC cards makes no sense either lol.

I guess at the end of the day it's a limited edition card so EVGA can afford to get picky with the chips as they will have more than enough, but this whole thing seems a bit silly. They should have made them 75%+ baseline with a $100 premium for 80%+.

andybird123 · 23 Jul 2015 at 12:59

ubersonic said:
They wouldn't put it in that "pile", usual binning selection practice would be for the 80+ cards to have their chip randomly selected from the 80+ bin and the 72+ card to have it's chip randomly selected from the 72+ bins.

Just to completely clarify that, 80+ cards would have the 80+ bin to take from, 72+ cards would have the 72+, 74+, 76+ and 80+ bins to take from.

The way you are suggesting is that the higher bins are more common than the lower bins, however, considering the 980ti is already a low binned TitanX (e.g. Not good enough so needing part of the chip fusing off), I think the high binned will be the rare ones, so its more a case of ordering the high bins you'll be waiting on stock, order a low bin and get it quicker.

Their RMA supports this as they are saying if you need to RMA, they wont bother looking/waiting on another high bin, they'll just ship you a 72 and give you a part refund.

Silent_Scone · 23 Jul 2015 at 13:10

lol, so can we all agree this is daft.

ubersonic · 23 Jul 2015 at 13:20

andybird123 said:
Their RMA supports this as they are saying if you need to RMA, they wont bother looking/waiting on another high bin, they'll just ship you a 72 and give you a part refund.

No what they mean by that is that if you RMA your 76+ in 2018 then they may not have any on hand in which case they will send you a 74+ if they have it or 72+ if they don't and refund you the difference.

Silent_Scone · 23 Jul 2015 at 13:21

lmao.

vsg28 · 23 Jul 2015 at 14:02

ubersonic said:
No it does not, the policy is here: http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/980-Ti-KINGPIN/

All it suggests is if you RMA a 72+ card your will get a 72+ back not a higher model, however if you RMA a higher model and they don't have any then you may get a lower one in return plus a refund of the difference.

Just saying based on Vince's post here:

yooo
Good question, let me make sure I got it right. So your asking if you buy the 72% bin, can it be just as good as one of the 76% bin ones?
Absolutely. It could for sure be better on air. On Ln2 though, the asic has more meaning so I'd place my bet on the 76% there. Keep in mind the difference could be minimal but still there, all gpus are so different really.
We chose 72% as the lowest for this for a reason. Those gpus are still very very good and all 72-80% have big potential. Higher asic has its value for sure in extreme overclocking for many reasons.
72% asic cards can still hit 2050mhz, I've done it. 80% asic card can fail to hit 2G, did that too . Those cards are exceptions of the norm that i see tho.
Let me show you some data from the cards I tested on air.
We sample from each batch to check quality level. I tested 4 pieces 76- 80% asic level they did 1592,1578,1551, and 1532mhz roughly max firestrike ultra on air 100% clean 54-57c
So compare that against the 4 74-76% asic I tested that did 1578,1552,1539, and 1539mhz.
Then I tested 4 pieces 72-74% asic and I got 1552,1539, 1539,1526mhz.
So highest OC Mhz at default voltage trends downward with asic like this. I also tested some lower asic gpus(well below the spec for this special intro asic buy) 63-64% asic on kp980ti long ago. They went something like 1520,1500,1500,1483mhz. I would usually not bother with a low 60% asic card on LN2, but still useful testing regardless to see it as I already know the behavior and what to expect.
The ranges they are offering I think are 72-73.9%,74-75.9%, 76-79.9%, 80%+. You will get exactly somewhere slightly higher or lower in the group you purchase from.
80% are gonna have the best chance to be awesome on Ln2 and even air, but with air cooling results on these can be mixed due to leakage factors. These gpus are VERY rare as well, so extremely limited availability on 80%+ ASIC

vsg28 · 23 Jul 2015 at 14:03

I still agree this is super mental btw

Kaapstad · 23 Jul 2015 at 14:07

ubersonic said:
They wouldn't put it in that "pile", usual binning selection practice would be for the 80+ cards to have their chip randomly selected from the 80+ bin and the 72+ card to have it's chip randomly selected from the 72+ bins.

Just to completely clarify that, 80+ cards would have the 80+ bin to take from, 72+ cards would have the 72+, 74+, 76+ and 80+ bins to take from.

There is no way that you would get an 80+ chip from a lower binned pile as this could get the manufacturer into trouble.

The end user may want a 72+ part and not a 80+ part for some reason of their own.

Tom B · 23 Jul 2015 at 14:32

Kaapstad said:
There is no way that you would get an 80+ chip from a lower binned pile as this could get the manufacturer into trouble.

The end user may want a 72+ part and not a 80+ part for some reason of their own.

As it's advertised as 72+ they won't get in trouble. However, as others have pointed out, why would EVGA sell a 80+ chip for a lower price when they can make more from it?

Firefox35 · 23 Jul 2015 at 14:44

Think EVGA have lost the plot

Klunt Bumskrint · 23 Jul 2015 at 17:55

Won't be long before we see ASIC in sigs so people can show they bought the most expensiveist one ;¦

ratters · 23 Jul 2015 at 18:27

vsg28 said:
Just saying based on Vince's post here:

Well if thats true strangely i cant see why people would be bothering with the kingpin unless they are getting 80 ASIC. Surely the people that just want to max it out will be buying this ?

Whats they point of buying the 72 ASIC.

If your casual O/C er you will buy another card.( non evga one probably as all the good chips are in the KingBin.

If you want to max it out you will be buying the 80 ASIC ones.

Cannot see how this makes sense its putting you off buying lower brand EVGA and only makes sense with the 80% cards, which they admit they have limited number and wont be selling bundles of.

Sure this happens a bit in other brands but they are plain out advertising the Binning.

Some people in this thread with the high ASIC 980ti's must be happy !