Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

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lovelyhead said:
Urrgghh. Makes my skin crawl.
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Likewise, all my fellow countrymen who care more about hating the English than their own country makes my skin crawl. As evident whenever the Tartan Army boo God Save the Queen.

The funny thing is we all know that the funding simply doesn't exist to go independent. Yet why let those pesky facts get in the way when we can be free of, what is led to be believed, a tyrannical rule.

The referendum has been and gone and the majority of Scots were level headed. However we shouldn't have to go through that again for at least another generation. It was a horrible time when the country was divided and the SNP stirred up hatred.
 
Tefal said:
except it isn't, the polls and the result were the same as 2 years before the referendum with no devo max ever announced.

the independence lot wanted independence not devo max so weren't swayed and the people who wanted to stay didn't care about devo max either so weren't swayed.

given the huge crash in oil prices it seems Scotland got very very lucky with the vote being no.
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You are showing your ignorance again. Salmond did want a devo max option on the ballot paper but Cameron ruled it out.
 
Tefal said:
except it isn't, the polls and the result were the same as 2 years before the referendum with no devo max ever announced.

the independence lot wanted independence not devo max so weren't swayed and the people who wanted to stay didn't care about devo max either so weren't swayed.

given the huge crash in oil prices it seems Scotland got very very lucky with the vote being no.
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Please wait until March next year please before dropping that unsubstantiated opinion, I voted no, but don't pass of something that isnt relevant, as such.

It's really really mean.
 
Glaucus said:
Uk has very low levels of nationalism compared to other countries, and yes most nationalism in England is just as bad and is why such parties and people are hated by the masses.
Out dated stupid "thinking" it's not even thinking as you can't be changed.
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Tefal said:
Really you're going to say the uk is nationalist? :confused:

a country where if the English fly their own flag its instantly assumed its because their racists?
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Oh please. British nationalism is the one of the UK's biggest money makers.
 
StriderX said:
Please wait until March next year please before dropping that unsubstantiated opinion, I voted no, but don't pass of something that isnt relevant, as such.

It's really really mean.
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We don't heed to wait. Oil prices are volatile, you can not base a economy soley on it. So what if it's high next year, how about a year later when it drops again.
 
wordy said:
Of course it does, if another referendum came up in a couple of years do you not think he'd try his damnedest to take centre stage and style himself and the man who led Scotland to freedom?
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No. I think it is pretty ridiculous to even think it. He wouldn't need to. Nationalists will always have a deep respect for him as he was the man who got the SNP to where they are today. He knows that.
 
StriderX said:
Please wait until March next year please before dropping that unsubstantiated opinion, I voted no, but don't pass of something that isnt relevant, as such.

It's really really mean.
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well when the negotiations where happening do you think the UK and every possible creditor and the EU wouldn't have used the fact oil prices which the SNP based Scotland's future on had gone down below their lowest estimates as leverage in the negotiations?
 
lovelyhead said:
Maybe if I repeat this enough then it will sink in.

If the SNP have a manifesto promise to hold another referendum and they are elected on that basis then it is the will of the people to have said referendum.

The will of the people is all that matters. Not some posh **** in London.
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It's not the will of the people at all. Voting for a party does not mean you agree with 100% of the plans they have. There are numerous parts of the manifesto that my choice of party had which I didn't personally agree with, for example.

We had a referendum last year. It's done. Move on for a generation.

It's turning into even more of a farce than it was in the first place.
 
lovelyhead said:
This is very true. We were promised home rule but what we are actually getting (we haven't actually gotten anything so far) is control over road signs and airport duty.
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We are a matter of MONTHS since the referendum, what exactly do you expect to have happened by now?

Not even a year has gone by yet.
 
[TW]Fox;28367839 said:
It's not the will of the people at all. Voting for a party does not mean you agree with 100% of the plans they have. There are numerous parts of the manifesto that my choice of party had which I didn't personally agree with, for example.

We had a referendum last year. It's done. Move on for a generation.

It's turning into even more of a farce than it was in the first place.
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Another person not reading what I have previously written multiple times. Come back when you have.

[TW]Fox;28367851 said:
We are a matter of MONTHS since the referendum, what exactly do you expect to have happened by now?

Not even a year has gone by yet.
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It is not a matter of why have things not happened yet. It is a matter of the things we were promised if we voted No are never going to happen. Home rule is not going to happen if left to the unionists. They think that because we lost the referendum we will just get back in our box. And people wonder why there is talk of another referendum.

The only people you have to blame for that is your unionist leaders. If we were on a road to home rule a lot of people would be content with that and there would be no appetite for another referendum.
 
lovelyhead said:
No. I think it is pretty ridiculous to even think it. He wouldn't need to. Nationalists will always have a deep respect for him as he was the man who got the SNP to where they are today. He knows that.
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Of course they do, it's literally a win win situation for him. Massive respect from the nationalists as it is, even more so if independence happens. Win/super massive colossal win for him.
 
Tefal said:
except it isn't, the polls and the result were the same as 2 years before the referendum with no devo max ever announced.

the independence lot wanted independence not devo max so weren't swayed and the people who wanted to stay didn't care about devo max either so weren't swayed.

given the huge crash in oil prices it seems Scotland got very very lucky with the vote being no.
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Did you miss the swing in the opinion polls or something? You know, the ones that caused London to soil themselves a couple of weeks before the vote, and throw every vague promise they had at Scotland?
 
lovelyhead said:
You'll find we were:

https://archive.is/DybSN

http://www.channel4.com/news/gordon-brown-scots-being-offered-home-rule-within-uk

https://archive.is/vD6Fe

https://archive.is/UWWw8
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No that's what Gordon brown was going on about and tried to get.

The vow itself done by the big three (the ones who could offer anything) doesn't mention FFA, home rule or devo max.

It offered more devolution and extensive new powers.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron-ed-miliband-nick-4265992
 
D3K said:
Did you miss the swing in the opinion polls or something? You know, the ones that caused London to soil themselves a couple of weeks before the vote, and throw every vague promise they had at Scotland?
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The polls were wrong. The so called vow only influenced 3.4% according to surveys on actual voting

This has already been tackled in this thread:

Superficial said:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...sive-factor-in-scots-voting-no-to-indepedence
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TBH you want out still ? You would be better off asking the English to vote on it. Most folk are tired of the Scottish Bravado of the SNP and there nationalism rhetoric. Hell you cant even build a tram on time (or cost) or the national assembly for that matter due to "complications"

You had a referendum the majority spoke, now do the honest thing and abide by it.
 
Superficial said:
The polls were wrong. The so called vow only influenced 3.4% according to surveys on actual voting

This has already been tackled in this thread:
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Fair enough, hadn't read that.

The 'don't trust Salmond' part is interesting though, 5.2%. That's enough cause for him never to take the reins if there ever was another. 5.2% + 3.4% = 8.8%, it would still be a No result, but very very close.
 
SPG said:
TBH you want out still ? You would be better off asking the English to vote on it. Most folk are tired of the Scottish Bravado of the SNP and there nationalism rhetoric. Hell you cant even build a tram on time (or cost) or the national assembly for that matter due to "complications"

You had a referendum the majority spoke, now do the honest thing and abide by it.
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Trams? Irrelevant much? What about HS2? You can't even decide to build that, let alone build it ;)
 
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