Most of the ones I use are well on the way and working hard on getting there.
E-cigarettes could be prescribed by the NHS to help smokers quit
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Most of the ones I use are well on the way and working hard on getting there.
The lesser of two evils principle?
the NHS shouldn't be there to aid peoples addictions surely?
yea morphine sure keeps them out of trouble I'd imagine and it's a lesser of two evils but nicotine is just a joke
even if the cost of the prescription was covered completely and free to the NHS the costs involved in admin, distribution, gp time etc is massive and to much of a burden
Maybe some people in a certain party want the nhs to fail or be seen as failing though so they can sell it to their mates
Just a quick reply to this;
As innovative as the vaping community currently is, what exactly is the future of the product/activity? How is it currently being marketed? As a replacement to cigarettes or to non-smokers?
Knowing the facts as we do today, would an educated individual knowingly start subscribing to a product that promotes a nicotine addiction?
However going off topic....
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It is true that such food is becoming more generally available, but it is not as easy a just buying food without gluten in it - owing to cross contamination from inadequate manufacturing methods. The NHS provides a suitable, reliable and affordable supply. Sufferers who do not or are unable to adhere to a strict gluten free diet because of cost or availability later in life cost the NHS more when they develop osteoporosis and cancer. I can see there being a reduction in the types of food on offer however - like removing the cakes and biscuits.
You could apply the same logic to e-cigs, pay for smokers to get off the really bad stuff and avoid a bigger cost later in life.
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Vaping will continue, think normal cigs vs handrolled, most of the legislation refers to a manufactured complete e-cig, until they can develop std test for each of the vaping components , ie drip tip mod atomiser etc it will be unenforcable. Some mods use std rechargeable batteries, and by the e-cig definitions in Article 20 these would have to be tested as per the regs, so how how would you test a battery for emissions?
The only change for vapers would be the standardization and testing of eliquids.
Because of all the money it saves in the long run and the greater GDP it generates for the country?
Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.
Or are you one of those people who think fat people shouldnt get NHS treatment? Where do you draw the line? AFter waiting 6 hrs in A&E on a weekend due to the numerous football injuries, on that basis they shouldnt get free treatment as they "choose" to play football
12 days supply of Champix costs the NHS £49. And that has serious side affects as my GF discovered when on them. Perscribing somebody vaping stuff initially to get them off cigerates seems a cheap and better success rating than medicine to be fair.
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Hmm;
Ultimately if an individual seeks GP consultation to quit smoking, then absolutely advice should be given to that individual in the guise of direction and leaflets for purchasing the necessary over the counter products to address that addiction.
Why should there be a need to subsidise nicotine patches or gum? If the individual is committed to the cause you would imagine they would welcome spending considerably less on those products than they currently would on cigarettes. This ensures the individual is accountable only to themselves for heeding the GPs advice, which includes less spend for themselves and zero burden to the tax payer through subsidy.
Some people need a push though. The times when I tried to give up before it did gaul me that patches and gum worked out more expensive than my cigarettes cost me everyday. As it is vaping (if you do it properly) costs me £50 per month compared to the £300 I was spending on cigarettes. But if the doctor is prepared to give you patches or gum or champix on percruiption then the e-cigs are going to be a much much cheaper option for him than any of the others.
It has been funding my pc upgrades every month for the last 5 months
less tobacco sales.
less tobacco tax revenue collected.
less poor people dying earlier and not collecting their pensions.
I think the costs far out weight any benefits.
Tobacco use has slowly been going down every generation ? less young people smoke cannabis than they did during any period since I believe the 90s also
The problem would appear to have been slowly going away on it's own until all these e-cigs came about encouraging more people to vape and get addicted to nicotine because it's cool and hip like cigarettes were at one time.
I don't care about fat people and the nhs or sports related injuries, boob jobs and other cosmetic procedures that aren't needed however I am entirely against.
If someone has confidence issues and emotional turmoil about their body surely it would be better for them to discuss it with someone who can change the way they feel about themselves.
no one is perfect, the standards a lot of people see are far to high and unachievable, they should learn to embrace their bodies, maybe prescribe them a book on how to feel beautiful with yourself, I'm sure there's a few good ones out there.
there's probably some great books on quitting smoking too.
why do people always expect a quick fix and an easy way out? life is hard, life is challenging but without it would life have meaning?
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There has to be a BIG push to vaping soon, Strike while the iron is hot they say. Honestly i know people who smoke varying substances including tobacco and i did myself until i tried it.
First month failed miserably then it got better and now i will not have anyone near me with tobacco or anything burning. Not only do ashes bother me but the smell is awful and your teeth and mouth oh my god. I would rather kiss the arse of a donkey than a smoker at the minute. Vaping is just amazing heck even my mum is doing it! If fattys and idiots can get gastric bands and boob-jobs on the NHS then it is appalling people cannot get discounted/NHS branded alternatives.
Big Tobacco is dying.
First month failed miserably then it got better and now i will not have anyone near me with tobacco or anything burning. Not only do ashes bother me but the smell is awful and your teeth and mouth oh my god. I would rather kiss the arse of a donkey than a smoker at the minute. Vaping is just amazing heck even my mum is doing it! If fattys and idiots can get gastric bands and boob-jobs on the NHS then it is appalling people cannot get discounted/NHS branded alternatives.
Big Tobacco is dying.
So you major point is that its better for the country for people to keep dying younger cause of the pensions saved?
On that basis why bother trying to save anybody's life? Got to be better for the country overall right?
Why not go full retard and invoke Logans Run? Just kill everybody once they reach a certain age?
Congratulations to all who posted they've either given up with or without e-cigs or still using e-cigs. Would much rather be addicted to e-cigs than real cigs and would much prefer the younger generations to grow up with their older peers using e-cigs than real cigs too !!
Slightly off the course of the thread I know but congrats in order for ppl here !!
Slightly off the course of the thread I know but congrats in order for ppl here !!
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That is exactly my point in a round about way!
Why should we be so concerned, as a nation, about tackling an addiction that with the aid of vamping/ecigs is low risk and causes less damage than the weekend binge drinkers, for example?
It seems like it is being ridiculed simply because it is an addiction, which given increasing evidence seems like a somewhat narrow minded angle.
I certainly don't think the NHS should be funding these things but I am also not convinced we should see it as a problem for people to migrate from cigarettes to vaping and stay there.
As alluded to earlier this just smacks of the government slapping rules and regs onto vaping manufacturers so they can control revenue streams.
NHS basics...
Why do fat people not stop spending so much on food and save or get a loan for a gastric band? Why do people not pay for boob jobs. Or why do people who come in injured from sports or bike racing not made to sell thier bikes to foot the treatment?
An addiction an addiction is an addiction. And fair is fair.
Exactly. Its like my old boss who's hobby was mountain climbing. Several times he needed to be rescued and was injured. He didnt have to pay to be rescued or for his medical treatment.