Seven dead after Hawker Hunter hits cars

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Caged said:
Just to be clear 'stall' in this context means the wings aren't producing lift any more. It also makes the control surfaces far less effective. You can see a change in direction if one wing stalls before the other.

It doesn't turn the plane into a glider. The video really doesn't make it look like the pilot had much say in where he was going.
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Thanks and understood.

That's what I was getting at, an argument against acme possible theory. Just because the plane moved to the left, doesn't mean the pilot had control over it.
 
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I'm not an expert, clearly, but with a stall the pilot loses control.. But it still is able to move around because of the aerodynamics of the plane. I.e. 'The sudden left turn' acme is describing.

Just because the plane stalled or the pilot lost control doesn't mean it would fly in a straight line. It would still move around..
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At the angle it was he would have had very little control input over the aircraft. The more air flowing over the wing the greater the control response. The angle the wing was meant the airflow would have been not flowing over the wing to generate enough lift to recover the Aircraft.

Every aircraft has a maximum angle of attack at a minimum airspeed. Once this is exceeded or the airspeed drops you are no longer flying and are in a stall. The only way out of that is having more altitude or a huge amount of power on tap. (see the Typhoon video I linked).

For what ever reason the pilot ended up in a stall at a very low altitude with neither the height nor power to recover the aircraft. Why that was will be discovered in the investigation.
 
No real hope about it, If his intention was to crash that plane and cause devastation why would he even bother doing a loop? Why not just fly for a few seconds and pick a more populated target? The questions will be asked about his mental state in the investigation but I'd fully expect him to be of sound mind.

I wouldn't be surprised if he used the road as a visual aid to map his routine, was under his normal altitude but felt in that split second it wouldn't be an issue but it turned out to be a big issue.
 
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:( What a nightmare, only just learned of this horrible tragedy. RIP to those people killed and thoughts go out to their families. Awful.
 
I kind of know one of the guys that died. Played football with him a few times. He's a groundsman at the Lancing training ground. Very sad. :(

Amazing to think I go to Lancing Manor at around 1. 30 every day but only didn't go yesterday because Brighton were playing at home.

Honestly you can feel this all over town. Everyone I saw today mentioned it, and all were kind of shell-shocked.
 
Im kind of thinking there was a leak on one of the external tanks which the pilot didnt know about and that miss ballanced the plane when he was pulling up,

with an engine failure.

i watch air accident investigation and its allways three or four thing's going wrong (at the same time) to make the crash happen

i keep watching it can can't really believe what ive just seen
 
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My gosh. Those who don't understand aerodynamics and posting up crazy speculations should just stop, you're making yourself look stupid. There are so many possibilities that could have contributed to the aircraft stalling only an in depth investigation will reveal all.

One thing I have been thinking about is the directional heading the aircraft was following during the 'loop'. Now it might just be down to the positioning of the camera person but to me it looks like the aircraft enters the loop on one directional heading but exits on a different. I do not know whether that was the plan or if that actually is the case it is just how it appears to me on the video which I do find a tad strange.

RIP to all those who sadly lost their lives. A truly tragic accident but I hope people don't go over the top calling for bans on airshows.
 
the very last photo`s show a high AOA (hunters fly flap 1 as well , the quasi delta needs help with lift at low speeds).

as I mentioned - read about the phantom F4 at Abingdon - he did a low loop and pancaked into the ground , and went in at full afterburner
 
having not watched the video or seen anything but the aftermath pictures, ill stick my stake on "pilot error".
 
It's a horrible thing to see. I remember when the Ramstein crash happened and the ITN news opened simply with that film of the plane cartwheeling into the crowd and even today it's still etched into my mind. Shocking stuff :(
 
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