so tell me - which airshows , in the uk which is where we live and where we are discsussing , and where these people died , have had a non pilot fatality this year?
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so tell me - which airshows , in the uk which is where we live and where we are discsussing , and where these people died , have had a non pilot fatality this year?
The biggest issue here is the people who were killed, had it been just the pilots & spectators that were injured and killed then thats one thing. People who go to airshows, rallys ...etc have made a conscious decision and are aware of the tiny danger it entails.
However people just going about their daily business should NEVER be placed in danger and unless airshows can guarantee this then they shouldn't be allowed to go ahead in that particular area!!
However people just going about their daily business should NEVER be placed in danger and unless airshows can guarantee this then they shouldn't be allowed to go ahead in that particular area!!
So what measures would you personally like to see put in to place?
I go to airshows and I also work on aircraft, if you want to ban every airshow that is near a road then thats a complete ban on all airshows everywhere. Duxford has huge airshows every year with vintage aircraft older than the Hunter and that airport is right next to the M11. Ban that one then?
Spectators get injured and killed at numerous events throughout the world, ban all of those? Car crashes are way more frequent, ban car driving? Rallying? Isle of Man TT? Concerts? Football matches? People have died at all of these in the past at some point.
It is a horrifc accident as has already been said but none of the casualties from any of the above should also ever have happened and they still go ahead.
That's an MK not an MKI, if it had had thrust vectoring then.....it would probably still have crashed as the pilot was being very reckless lol.
Wouldn't it be meaningless to not keep it "in the uk" otherwise it's not an example of UK air show safety :S
First flew in 51, entered service in 54.
Not sure how old the A-10 is but the B-52 is still flying and they haven't made any new ones of those since the 60's (dont know an exact date but even the "youngest" ones are 50+) and they are planning on them still being in service for another 10+ years...
So you really felt just as safe as flying level? No feeling you were pushing it at all? You're made of sterner stuff than me buddy, a sideslip landing in a cessna is enough to give me white knuckles
Yes, I love being in the air, gliders, airliners, the only time I thought "Fuuuuu" was at the top of a loop, we hit 0g and I dropped what was in reality 2/3 inches but at the time it felt like feet for probably less than 2 seconds before we started to dive back round...
you are right
- the CAA have said they will conduct a review , but this is a `freak` accident one that the AAIB will thoroughly investigate.it could be mandated recorders in non military display aircraft (or ex military types).
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Many innocent people are put are risk each day in various ways, how do we stop it all or is it just airshows that are dangerous?
Actually I don't mean dangerous because on the whole there's little chance of being involved in such an incident
Many innocent people are put are risk each day in various ways, how do we stop it all or is it just airshows that are dangerous?
Actually I don't mean dangerous because on the whole there's little chance of being involved in such an incident
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It has been reported that the road was busy due as people were on the way to the airshow or watching it from the roadside..
As for the NEVER part (you caps locked it so I did as well) you can't just blanket things like that, its unrealistic, accidents happen everywhere, thats the point of an accident, yes you can take steps to reduce reasonable risk but, as they say, "**** happens"...
I'm not sure i'd categorise a health issue as human error especially on this topic, but I suppose semantically you could argue anything is human error
That stretch of road is always very busy. Out of the people we know who have died so far, none of them were on the way to the airshow.
I agree that this is really a discussion for another time, we still don't know the extent of the disaster, but one things for sure - the Shoreham airshow's future is in doubt.
In some cases no amount of power or computer assistance will save the A/C from the pilot Mis judging a manoeuvre.
the road is allways busy -its the east west trunk across the south coast! in fact , its been mentioned that it could have been massively worse , if the road works went there - usually you have cars blasting down at 70 mph+ , imagine the concertina effect
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Tell that to the families of the deceased.
No they don't just "happen". Theres a reason they do, and performing dangerous stunts a couple hundred metres from the ground over a busy main road is definitely one of them.
Until the investigation has concluded, its all speculation, but yes, doing any airshow stunts near a road will carry risk.
"These things happen" wont cut it for those that have lost people. Unfortunately, this will be dragged along the dirt track for quite some time.
Whilst I dont agree with going H&S crazy and banning airshow stunts etc, the inevitable will happen whereby control will be drawn up on what they can do over where, next to where. Should something like this happen again, or they will control what maneuvers can be safely carried out at a higher altitude, with lower altitude manuvours out of the question over populated areas near roads etc.
"These things happen" wont cut it for those that have lost people. Unfortunately, this will be dragged along the dirt track for quite some time.
Whilst I dont agree with going H&S crazy and banning airshow stunts etc, the inevitable will happen whereby control will be drawn up on what they can do over where, next to where. Should something like this happen again, or they will control what maneuvers can be safely carried out at a higher altitude, with lower altitude manuvours out of the question over populated areas near roads etc.
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There aren't road works there, the road restrictions there were because of the airshow. The traffic lights are disabled to stop cars from the west on the A27 turning right into the entrance, you have to take the next exit and then return westbound as that's the only entrance. All the cones are in place to control the airshow traffic and keep it in the correct lanes.
The road is always busy there as you say regardless of cones as traffic goes from two lanes and hits a roundabout.
Normally once the airshow is running cars move quite well but it was a nightmare getting to the show that day, mostly I think due to the weather being forecast as rubbish on sunday and mindful of the fact that the vulcan was making one of its last few appearances. Took me 2 hours to get from lancing to the show entrance, I left at 9.00 and normally am setup by 9.45 on the fence line.
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