DWP lies about sanctions

Forget this hypothetical person who has everything wrong with them who the system is against apparently.

If you rely on JSA to an extent that your life depends on it then make the appointment. All they ask is you make 1 appointment every fortnight. Don't make it don't get paid. I don't think that is unfair ultimately? They are paying your benefit.
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
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So your mate is on JSA and moving house that is far away?

So he has a licence and doesn't mind driving long distance? Tell him to become a lorry driver or white van man. Heavily in demand. Then he can stick his JSA appointments.

Edit. Ah.. He found a new job. Congrats to him. Surely his JSA (or lack thereof) shouldn't bother him that much then?
 
Tefal said:
They go on esa not JSA.

I know someone who's actually in that exact situation you describe due to anxiety and agoraphobia.

They're on esa, with the occasional short stretch on JSA when they let their sick note run out without getting a new one (they're also pretty useless at basic things, their housing benifit got canceled because they failed to reply to a simple request to confirm

Anxiety and depression are major ones for abuse from what I've seen I know a few who get esa for their "anxiety" yet they happily go out getting drunk on the weekends a dancing on tables etc.
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I've worked on ESA in setting up the qualification rules.

You only get ESA for anxiety and depression if you've transferred from DLA. You can't get ESA for new claims for anxiety and depression - the benefit system doesn't recognise 99% of mental health issues or treat them as a barrier to working/seeking work.
 
I don't know what people are getting so upset about - if it helps people back into work then surely that's all that matters, like this chap:-

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Mr Duncan Smith has also made his first public comments about revelations his department had used made-up stories from fictional sickness benefit claimants to demonstrate the positive impact of benefit sanctions.

The work and pensions secretary said the online examples were "drawn as a summary from real life cases but it wasn't a real life case".

He added: " It was quite wrong, those individuals [responsible] ultimately will face some form of disciplinary procedure."
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Wow - throwing someone under a bus to protect his own neck?

Classy.

No wonder civil servants hate him.
 
I've seen some other articles that are stating over 4000. Not sure what to trust right now, but it's disgusting either way.
 
dowie said:
it really is, we should make a law against people dying!
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40,000 deaths within 1 year amongst the 2 million people given a WCA decision is a shockingly high death rate for people of working age. That is 2%!

However, this group of people are on ESA for a reason so it makes a little more sense.

The figures said 2,017,070 people were given a decision following their WCA between May 2010 and February 2013, with 40,680 dying within a year of that decision.
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The question is what those deemed fit to work had. In theory they are healthier than their ESA counterparts so their mortality rate should far lower as it is unlikely these people are terminally ill, likely to be younger etc. However, if it turns out that on a like for like age basis the mortality rate is higher then that is seriously worrying.
 
So you see nothing wrong with people dying just weeks after being declared fit for work?

More detail is needed, but still...
 
I love how all of this pours out immediately after the election, it'll all be forgotten about by the next election and after another few years of the government and media demonising the disabled/poor.
 
This raises far more questions about us as a nation more than it does our current government. The fact we let it slide.

If you are going to target the wrong people, at least do it properly. Nobody can have an argument then.

Will there ever be a public enquiry into this?
 
bliss said:
So you see nothing wrong with people dying just weeks after being declared fit for work?

More detail is needed, but still...
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A friend who I grew up with was in the papers the other day because on his way home from work he had a massive heart attack and died.

He was certainly fit for work and was doing so before his unexpected death.

People die unexpectedly all the time and whilst of course we need more detail here but I don't accept the idea that even the best doctors can predict death outside those with terminal illnesses.
 
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