Naked Rambler Jailed

Can't imagine many people go out of their way not to be naked around their own young children, do they? I know we don't in our house. The kids only put clothes on because we tell them to, pretty sure they'd happily run around with nothing on most of the time.

I'd been under the impression that this chap was jailed in part due to some behaviour beyond simply being naked in public, but maybe that's wrong (?). It's pretty ridiculous if it's all for nudity.
 
Carrots.. vaginas.. this thread is going somewhere very seedy lol.

I get the impression Asim can't differentiate sex from nudity unfortunately.

Can't imagine many people go out of their way not to be naked around their own young children, do they? I know we don't in our house. The kids only put clothes on because we tell them to, pretty sure they'd happily run around with nothing on most of the time.

I'd been under the impression that this chap was jailed in part due to some behaviour beyond simply being naked in public, but maybe that's wrong (?). It's pretty ridiculous if it's all for nudity.

Exactly. I'm guessing there are a lot of sheltered families that do though. It's like those people that spend 5 minutes in the changing room putting their underwear on, struggling under a towel. Yes you have a penis, so do I and all the other men in the changing room. I wouldn't have cared or looked if you got it out, however now you are making a scene trying to hide yourself getting dressed I'm going to look at you struggling.:p

IIRC he was jailed for breaking ASBO's after they were put on him for being naked.
 
No. That's not the reason why a kid would find it shocking. It's shocking because it's the first time they've ever seen a grown matured sex organ. If you're living in an ancient tribal society you're going to be rolling around naked with your children FROM BIRTH, therefore the shock will never happen.

Why do you believe the only reason a kid can find something shocking is that they've been conditioned into finding it shocking?

If a child sees a murder scene will they not be shocked? I'm sure their parents don't condition their children into finding murder scene's shocking do they???

For a child to be truly not shocked at the sight of a grown human's sex organs, they would have to be seeing these things from birth, like in tribal society.

It's impossible to do this in this society unless your parents have been showing you their sex organs since you were a baby. You cannot do it if the child's been bought up even for 3 years in a clothed society because that automatically means there will be a FIRST TIME they will see a grown man's penis.

This is why it's a terrible idea for a little girl to see a grown man's penis on her walk to the park! You either play with your children naked from birth like they did when everyone was naked in tribal days, or they learn themselves when they're old enough to understand.

You simply cant be exposing random kids to matured sex organs.

I think I'll repeat my very first comment.

As a society I think we need to sort out upbringings like yours, rather than jailing someone walking around without artificial skin, which is essentially what clothes are.

Unless you have been conditioned to find penises disgusting, or showing that area as wrong I bet the very worst that would happen is "daddy, why is that man not wearing clothes", or "mummy, what is that thing dangling between that mans legs".*

It's impossible to do this in this society unless your parents have been showing you their sex organs since you were a baby.

Did you parents also censor the "Sex Organs" of other species, like the dog, bull or lion with it's testicles dangling down?

*Thats a penis dear, all boys have them. That's what they use to wee out of...
 
Did you parents also censor the "Sex Organs" of other species, like the dog, bull or lion with it's testicles dangling down?

If I'm bought up in a world where dog's danglies are covered up, then of course, the day I first see a dog's dangly bits of course I'm going to be like ":eek:"

But no I'm not bought up in a world where dog's danglies are covered up, i've been seeing them since birth. Just like a tribal kid sees matured human sex organs since birth. In which case it's not going to make them think twice about seeing a naked man.

In the same fashion if a modern kid bought up in a world where they haven't seen something since birth and aren't accustomed to it like mature penis and vagina then they will be like :eek: the first time they ever see them. Which is why I think it's sad to ruin a little girls day who's probably never seen a penis before and was just on her way to the park.
 
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So basically you agree with me then, that if we (or more precisely some families) were more liberal with nudity (like much of the rest of Europe and many UK families) children would not be shocked if they saw someone walking around naked and there should be no issues.
 
So basically you agree with me then, that if we (or more precisely some families) were more liberal with nudity (like much of the rest of Europe and many UK families) children would not be shocked if they saw someone walking around naked and there would be no issues.

Fixed, but yes that's the reality of the situation.

But I don't agree that people should be naked. We've evolved to wear clothes. We cant devolve now.
 
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Fixed, but yes that's the reality of the situation.

But I don't agree that people should be naked. We've evolved to wear clothes. We cant devolve now.

Lol, say that to all the ladies who wear material smaller than a handkerchief on a beach. That's a silly argument.
 
Lol, say that to all the ladies who wear material smaller than a handkerchief on a beach. That's a silly argument.

And that's a narrow minded reply.

We've have evolved to wear clothes. If we didn't, planes that can take us from sub zero to sub Saharan would be utterly pointless because you would die soon after stepping off. Humanity is highly evolved and clothing is what has allowed us to become this established, it's basically a massive **** you in the face of natural selection. It's basically adaptation on-the-fly.

It's nothing to do with ladies sun bathing on a beach wearing nothing. It's about those same ladies being able to go to the Arctic and not be killed by temperature. Heck it's about those same ladies being able to survive winter! Do you even realise how many species migrate based on seasons???
 
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Fixed, but yes that's the reality of the situation.

But I don't agree that people should be naked. We've evolved to wear clothes. We cant devolve now.

So what we need now is more activists like the naked rambler to push the boundaries and make it a non issue. Much like the activists over the last few hundred years have made it fine for women to wear bikinis and men to wander round topless.

And that's a narrow minded reply.

We've have evolved to wear clothes. If we didn't, planes that can take us from sub zero to sub Saharan would be utterly pointless because you would die soon after stepping off. Humanity is highly evolved and clothing is what has allowed us to become this established, it's basically a massive **** you in the face of natural selection. It's basically adaptation on-the-fly.

It's nothing to do with ladies sun bathing on a beach wearing nothing. It's about those same ladies being able to go to the Arctic and not be killed by temperature.

That's why the Scandinavians invented saunas, so they could sit around in mixed groups naked when it was too cold to do so outdoors.:p

Should we be covering our heads as well? many people wear them in winter to keep them warm so we appear to have "evolved" to need to wear them.

Your argument would seem to suggest you would be happy with nudity during the summer months, when warm enough.;)

Also humanity is not "highly" evolved. We are no more evolved than any other species.
 
So what we need now is more activists like the naked rambler to push the boundaries and make it a non issue. Much like the activists over the last few hundred years have made it fine for women to wear bikinis and men to wander round topless.

Well if seeing naked people is your thing then yes we "need" that.

Personally I don't need to, nor want to see naked people everywhere.
 
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Both of my parents were nudists so I grew up not being afraid of the human body or any part of it.
My mother and father would think nothing of sitting around the house with no clothes on and I would do the same.

I feel that this has given me a very well adjusted view of nakedness in that I don't fear it or even find it odd if someone is not wearing any clothes. Other than concern that they might be cold.
There is a very very big difference between nakedness and sexual activity. Now, if I saw a naked man in the woods who was obviously sexually aroused then that is a different matter entirely.

I take the same approach with my son. On the hot days this summer I would sit around the house with no clothes on as would my partner. My son doesn't stare or think anything about it. The only time he has paid any attention to it at all is when he pointed at my penis and said "willy" and then pointed to his own and repeated "willy". I said "good boy, yes it is a willy" and we moved on to playing with trains or something. This is not sexual or odd to me in any way.
 
Well if seeing naked people is your thing then yes we "need" that.

Personally I don't need to, nor want to see naked people everywhere.

If you don't want to see that, that's your opinion but I see no reason why this opinion should be elevated to criminality.
 
If you don't want to see that, that's your opinion but I see no reason why this opinion should be elevated to criminality.

I didn't make the laws. There's some things that I want to do which no one will will ever be affected by, no one will ever see, smell, touch, or smoke yet they would automatically make me a criminal. :(


The actual reasons for many things being considered criminal are very deeply secret. I could tell you why but it's so unbelievable it's just going to make me look like a troll to everybody and also because I don't have time for a massive debate about secret things that even I'm not sure about.
 
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Well if seeing naked people is your thing then yes we "need" that.

Personally I don't need to, nor want to see naked people everywhere.

There's no "thing" about it. It's just allowing people to do something that isn't harming anyone.
 
I didn't make the laws. There's some things that I want to do which no one will will ever be affected by, no one will ever see, smell, touch, or smoke yet they would automatically make me a criminal. :(


The actual reasons for many things being considered criminal are very deeply secret. I could tell you why but it's so unbelievable it's just going to make me look like a troll to everybody and also because I don't have time for a massive debate about secret things that even I'm not sure about.

Being naked on the street isn't a crime. The link posted earlier was pretty clear about that. In fact the worst that would happen according to the article is you may be fined if someone finds your nudity offensive.

This guy was jailed for repeatedly breaching ASBO's.

No law needs to be changed, just attitudes of some people towards what is deemed offensive.
 
The actual reasons for many things being considered criminal are very deeply secret. I could tell you why but it's so unbelievable it's just going to make me look like a troll to everybody and also because I don't have time for a massive debate about secret things that even I'm not sure about.

Lol.
 
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