The EU Migrant Crisis

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PanMaster said:
How will the moslems smuggle sufficient heavy weapons into EU cities without getting caught?

How does launching terrorist attacks achieve the goal of Eurabia?
Surely it'll have the opposite effect by causing the ignorant masses, Guardian readers, ivory tower socialists and PC morons to wake up and become hostile to moslems?
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you dont need heavy weapons to create a bomb that'll make a statement, a hardware store will usually suffice ;)

do you seriously think ISIS think rationally about causing friction between muslims and the rest of the world?
 
ImMrChris said:
you dont need heavy weapons to create a bomb that'll make a statement, a hardware store will usually suffice ;)

do you seriously think ISIS think rationally about causing friction between muslims and the rest of the world?
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friction is good, the more the nice happy comfortable western Muslims get pressed by the miss directed anger of others the easier they are to radicalise
 
Tefal said:
friction is good, the more the nice happy comfortable western Muslims get pressed by the miss directed anger of others the easier they are to radicalise
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I think you've raised a good point there (that will undoubtably go unnotcied in this thread).

I think that the general hatred against muslims purely because of the actions of IS will go towards radicalising western muslims, purely because of the way they are treated an percieved by you and me based on the actions of other halfway around the world.

Of course an intelligent reply might be too much to ask of here.
 
Boycey0211 said:
I think you've raised a good point there (that will undoubtably go unnotcied in this thread).

I think that the general hatred against muslims purely because of the actions of IS will go towards radicalising western muslims, purely because of the way they are treated an percieved by you and me based on the actions of other halfway around the world.

Of course an intelligent reply might be too much to ask of here.
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they're focusing heavily now on trying to inspire more "lone wolf" attacks as they're incredibly hard to stop and very frightening to people "omg my neighbour is Muslim maybe hell suddenly flip too!!"

trying to send in a trained person fro ma camp in Syria is hard as our security forces are actually very god at their jobs and pick them up.

but a random angry angst filled teenager who's isolated an feels alone is easily converted by the guy or girl over the internet who "understands" them over the internet and gives them a sense of purpose is almost impossible to predict and react to, he doesn't have to do a massive attack just a knife in a town centre is enough.

I think that the general hatred against muslims purely because of the actions of IS will go towards radicalising western muslims, purely because of the way they are treated an percieved by you and me based on the actions of other halfway around the world.
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that's quite true, i know some Muslims personally and closely who i am very fond off but there are times when i see some isis thing o n the news etc and do think to myself, ffs cant we just shoot them all before thinking "wait **** i know these people".

its very stange
 
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Tefal said:
they're focusing heavily now on trying to inspire more "lone wolf" attacks as they're incredibly hard to stop and very frightening to people "omg my neighbour is Muslim maybe hell suddenly flip too!!"

trying to send in a trained person fro ma camp in Syria is hard as our security forces are actually very god at their jobs and pick them up.

but a random angry angst filled teenager who's isolated an feels alone is easily converted by the guy or girl over the internet who "understands" them over the internet and gives them a sense of purpose is almost impossible to predict and react to, he doesn't have to do a massive attack just a knife in a town centre is enough.
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Asked for a decent answer, got one, thanks.

Agree completely, also to the point that IMO this is why integration is a good thing, if people stop seeing religion as a barrier between people who were born and raised in the same country then this is less likely to happen.

I know its a big ask on both sides but I honestly think thats the only way to counter it.
 
Boycey0211 said:
Asked for a decent answer, got one, thanks.

Agree completely, also to the point that IMO this is why integration is a good thing, if people stop seeing religion as a barrier between people who were born and raised in the same country then this is less likely to happen.

I know its a big ask on both sides but I honestly think thats the only way to counter it.
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added a bit after you quoted that i think is a bit more relevant.


as smart as i am and like to think of myself there are times i do realise that i am not as smart as the people whose career is to persuade people to follow along with their news story.



Agree completely, also to the point that IMO this is why integration is a good thing, if people stop seeing religion as a barrier between people who were born and raised in the same country then this is less likely to happen.
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i will say here though a lot of immigrant communities (in before "racist") especially Pakistani communities though do not want to integrate.

Malaysians, and many Iranian/Persian Muslims do look down on Pakistanis as some insular little backwards group that gives them all a bad name.

but Pakistanis are the biggest group we get here.
 
Tefal said:
added a bit after you quoted that i think is a bit more relevant.


as smart as i am and like to think of myself there are times i do realise that i am not as smart as the people whose career is to persuade people to follow along with their news story.





i will say here though a lot of immigrant communities (in before "racist") especially Pakistani communities though do not want to integrate.

Malaysians, and many Iranian/Persian Muslims do look down on Pakistanis as some insular little backwards group that gives them all a bad name.

but Pakistanis are the biggest group we get here.
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Yeah I read the bit you added afterwards and think that still agrees with my point, but media has a lot to blame for stirring up opinions these days which is maybe where it's come from.

I also agree with the fact that others don't want to integrate in some cultures, and yes I don't agree with that as if I'm making the effort to at least be tolerant if not amicable then why shouldnt they.

I think that goes back to the 50's though, when many of those original communities arrived they were treated with definite racism and I think thats had a lasting effect over the generations in some cases.
 
I'm guessing many of the Syrian refugee's are probally Christian, but how come Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain don't take any immigrants, mega rich oil countries, let them join their muslim brothers.
 
They've never been particularly charitable in that regard... but they can also see many of the problems coming that the EU are turning a blind eye to none the least integration which is likely to be particularly volatile in that part of the world.
 
What's the best way out of the U.K?
I just don't understand it?
We've been more than welcome to REFUGEES and they have started a war amongst themselves in this country.
My GOVERNMENT is nowhere to be seen.
Anybody????
 
Sky newsreader last night called them "refugees" and thirty seconds later reporter in his film "migrants". Got to love the duplicity in the media at the moment.
 
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